On Wednesday 14 March 2012 16:03:59 haynes davis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 March 2012 14:45:13 haynes davis wrote: > > > > Precisely my point, but perhaps not what you have in mind, which is > > > > striking > > > > work and preventing others less pandered from taking up their seats. > > > > If the terms are so rotten, that company wont find competent > > > > employees and will shut. In the past labour militancy (alongwith > > > > other parallel factors) led to > > > > the shutdown of industry. But that was not a disaster, as industries > > > > moved to > > > > better locations, and new industry with better working conditions > > > > replaced them. For a shot while both labour and industrialists were > > > > playing holier than thou, before economics forced better sense to > > > > prevail. > > > > > > do you have any statistics on industries closed because of labour > > > militancy. what percentage of closed industries is because of labour > > > militancy? > > > > In the SSI MSI sector more than 90% shut in the 70s and 80s. Out of these > > about 45% were due to labour problems. > > Some examples GKW, Precision fastners, Murphy, Bush, > > > > > (what were the cause for militancy is another matter) > > > > There were also massive problems in L & T, Siemens, NRC (shut), Amar > > Dyechem > > (shut), J. K., TIFAC,. The list is really long. > > All of the above were amongst the highest paid workers at the time. > > > > > what percentage is caused by economic policies? > > > what % is caused by national/international monopolies? > > > > Meaning? I have yet to hear of a monopoly shutting during the tenure of > > it's > > monopoly. But innumerable stories playing out right now in India, now > > that the monopolies are over. > > > > > what % is because of board of directors/ceo/cfo/coo/managerial idiocy? > > > (this should be the largest) > > > > Surprisingly it is not. The banks go after them with a vengenance. Check > > out > > the bank figures. Particularly true in the SSI / MSI sector. > > > > > if i tell not more than 5% of closures are because of labour militancy > > > > how > > > > > will you object it? > > > > You have got it right by -40%. > > > > The figures will have to be culled by visiting various libraries of news > > papers. > > > > My statements are restricted to the state of Maharashtra. However, IMO, > > conditions were no different in most parts, and a lot worse in WB. > > above statistics are not reflected in the report > http://labourbureau.nic.in/ID%202k7%20Contents.htm > thats for a single year 2007.
Labour militancy died almost completely in the 90s in Maharashtra. > may be you can help me with some data of 70s > or 80s I havent checked anything online for the period. I quoted stats that I remembered from studies conducted by banks, to which I had unofficial access. And my first hand witness to the companies I quoted. In the case of Amar Dychem, a few months ago an ad in the toi caught my eye. It was a BIFR judgement about dissolution of the company. One can see the rotting hulk of one of the most profitable companies with the highest paid and pandered work force. BTW all of these companies hired temp doubles, at 1/3rd the wage, to do the work of the regular employees who did absolutely nothing. L & T switch gears are made not by L & T, but by subcontractors, who further subcontract it to holes in the wall in industrial slums. The workers there work in the most abysmal conditions. 1000s of them doing skilled, semi skilled jobs at rock bottom wages. The profits that L & T makes goes to feed the fatcats in L & T call centers and fund takeovers of scam cos like Satyam. GKW shut operations in 1985 (afair). But it's brand continues to exist. It's products are made by yet other holes in the wall. There is an ongoing litigation on the sale of it's massive land holdings in Bhandup. So much for everyone's new found love for industry's fatcat call center labour. -- Rgds JTD _______________________________________________ network mailing list [email protected] http://lists.fosscom.in/listinfo.cgi/network-fosscom.in
