You are right. I did make a mistake. rodhall
-----Original Message----- From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning Isn't .001 of a dollar 1/10 cent ? .01 is one penny. From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 9:17:35 PM Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning One tenth of one doller is one dime .10. Ten dimes are one doller. One penny is one hunderth of a doller. One hunderd pennys are one doller. .001 is one penny. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:13 pm Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning It's a matter of semantics. In my game .11 is called eleven tens. Then .011 is eleven hundredth and .0011 is eleven thousandth. As the kids say, whatever. From: Glen <[email protected]> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:16:27 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning Dennis: If 0.005 is five thousandths (agree) then 0.011 is eleven thousandths not eleven hundreths. eleven hundreths would be 0.11 The diammeters I reported were written on the labels and then confirmed by my mic. I passed a 0.013 inch wire ( measured and printed on the label) through a #38 jet. Glen On Feb 2, 4:40 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, take a deep breath and let's review. I specified .005" for a #35 jet. > That's five one thousandth of an inch. > further, .011" is eleven hundredth and waaay too big. I don't have a > measurement for a #40 at hand. > > ________________________________ > From: Glen <[email protected]> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 5:57:40 PM > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning > > Dennis: > > I thought I was missreading my micrometer so I got out several items > of known diammeter to check. Labeling on fishing lines these days > tells you both pound test and diammeter of the line. So since I have > eveything from 300# down to 6# line I started checking labels and > verifying with my micrometer. I have a caliper style mic and the > smallest increment mark is 0.001" as indicated on the face of the > dial. The results are the following: > > 200# line is 0.050 inch (1.27 mm), > 40# line is 0.025 inch (0.64 mm), > 17# line is 0.015 inch (0.38 mm) > 12# line is 0.013 inch (0.33 mm), > 6# line is 0.010 inch (0.25 mm) > > You can check most fishing supply catalogs online at Cabelas or Bass > Pro and you will find similar line diameters (manufactures vary). > > So as I said, I can pass a 0.013" (0.33 mm) wire through a new Keihin > #38 slow jets but I can not pass a 0.015" (0.38 mm). Confirmed this is > not a typo 13/1000. > > Therefore, I believe you were right the first time with a#35 slow jet > bore diameter at 0.011" (0.279 mm). > > You work in shop right, pull a few jets off the shelf and check them. > > Glen > > On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Add another zero.... .005" not .05. > > > ________________________________ > > From: Glen <[email protected]> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 9:11:56 PM > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning > > > Dennis: > > > I think you had the slow jet size right the first time. I tried to re- > > wire my slow jets as you suggested with a 0.050 drill bit and broke it > > off in the jet when I tried to tap it through and it got stuck. I > > ordered four new original Kein #38 slow jets which is the next size up > > from the factory #35. I am able to pass a 0.013 inch wire but not a > > 0.015 through the new #38. If a #38 is bigger than a #35 it seems to > > reason that a #35 is likley smaller than 0.013 and certainly not 4 > > times larger at 0.050 > > > A frame of reference for those without a pair of micrometers: > > > 200# mono fishing line is 0.050 inch, > > 40# mono fishing line is 0.025 inch, > > 12# mono fishing line is 0.013 inch, > > 6# mono fishing line is 0.010 inch > > > Glen > > > On Jan 15, 10:37 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You're at sea level.... 40 maybe. Clean 35 first. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:26:18 PM > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning > > > > Dennis: > > > > What do you think about up sizzing to a 40 or 42 slow jet? > > > > Looking forward to alignment... left side of tire is less then 50%. > > > > On Jan 15, 10:05 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Yes. Reclean. My mistake. It was pointed out to me and went back and > > > > measured the exact sizes. > > > > Correct alignment ? I'll prepare a list of needed tools. Time consuming > > > > and sometimes disappointing. > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:51:32 PM > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning > > > > > Dennis: > > > > > If the slow jet is #38 is 0.005" then when I wired it last year with a > > > > 0.0011 diameter wire I did not clean it properly to 0.005". Should I > > > > try cleaning them again with a 0.005" wire or buy new ones? > > > > > How do I correct alignment? > > > > > On Jan 15, 9:37 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The alignment of your bike is off, shifting the contact point from > > > > > the center of the tire to one side. You broke off before getting to > > > > > fine tuning a chassis. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:06:49 PM > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning > > > > > > I am on my own, but thanks to the NH Lovers and folks like Dennis H, I > > > > > am learning... > > > > > > Still puzzled about my tire wear issue, may check archive. > > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:58 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Well, good luck :) I'm just grateful that I know ppl that speak > > > > > > carburetor. > > > > > > > -Kyle > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Snookfever > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Kyle: > > > > > > > > Thanks I found a message from Dennis from May of 2009 on the > > > > > > > subject > > > > > > > of 700S carb: > > > > > > > > Dennis wrote: "The actuall size of the hole in a slow jet (#38) > > > > > > > is . > > > > > > > 0011" That's eleven ten thousands of an inch. No typo." > > > > > > > > Final Jepoardy : I found two Keihin slow jets N424-21 and N424-26 > > > > > > > (http://www.pjmotorsports.com/keihin_jets_&_parts.htm) The > > > > > > > diiference > > > > > > > being the length 28 mm vs 23.5 mm. I think its N424-21 > > > > > > > > Since the Keihin slow jets range in size from (35, 38, 40, 42, > > > > > > > 45, 48, > > > > > > > 50, 52, 55, 58, 60, 62, 65, 68, 70, 72, 75, 78, 80) and they are > > > > > > > $7 > > > > > > > each I may buy a set of size 40 and 42. > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:14 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Just go > > > > > > > > tohttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_loversandinthetop > > > > > > > > right corner is a 'search this group' box. As to translating > > > > > > > > jet sizes I > > > > > > > > have no idea how that's done, I just went with what Dennis said > > > > > > > > he'd > > > > > > > > measured. The kit I got from starcycle came with two sizes to > > > > > > > > choose > > > > > > > from, > > > > > > > > we simply went with the smaller of the two because I wanted to > > > > > > > > maintain > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > semblance of gas mileage. They worked great so I've still got > > > > > > > > the larger > > > > > > > > sized jets in the box. > > > > > > > > > -Kyle > > > > > > > > -Sent from Houston, TX, United States > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Snookfever > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kyle: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, how did you search old messages? I recall a message > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > Dennis last year when I first cleaned the carbs and I thought > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > indicated the slow jet being 0.0011. I remember sanding a > > > > > > > > > leader wire > > > > > > > > > to clean it. Several web sites sell jets for Keihin carbs, > > > > > > > > > but the > > > > > > > > > size range is 35-80. How do you translate the size number to > > > > > > > > > the bore > > > > > > > > > diameter? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 7:49 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, what I learned about jet sizes, is that > > > > > > > > > > they're > > > > > > > arbitrary. > > > > > > > > > > What one company might call a #35 for example doesn't > > > > > > > > > > really mean > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > to others. I think honda calls the stock jets #115 and #35. > > > > > > > > > > A quick > > > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > of the group's archived messages turns up a msg from Dennis > > > > > > > translating > > > > > > > > > > those to inches for us. > > > > > > > > > > > The size of the #115 main jet in your bike is .041" > > > > > > > > > > > > The #35 is .005" > > > > > > > > > > > -Kyle > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Snookfever > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kyle: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you recall the size of the slow jet you used? > > > > > > > > > > > > Allen: > > > > > > > > > > > > The K&N lets in more air but slower air which mean less > > > > > > > > > > > fuel/ > > > > > > > > > > > leaner.The cup inside the K&N does not restrict air flow > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > accelerates it so it can pick up more fuel.. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 1:40 pm, Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyle, if you had to put a yogurt cup in the air cleaner > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > restrict > > > > > > > > > > > > flow (richen the mixture) then I would think that it is > > > > > > > > > > > > too lean > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > you should have put in the bigger jets? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 6:49 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All we changed were the slow jets. The kit came with > > > > > > > > > > > > > two sizes > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > the smaller set. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Kyle- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to > > > > > > > > > > > the Google > > > > > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > > > > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > > > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]<nighthawk_lovers%2bunsubscrib[email protected]> > > > > > > > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > <nighthawk_lovers%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > > > > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en.-Hidequoted > > > > > > > > > text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > > > > > > Google > > > > > > > Groups > > > > > > > > > "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. > > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > . > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. 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