Dennis:

I have always been of the oppinion that if you give a man a fish he
eats for a day, if you teach a man to catch fish he eats for life.
Dont change a thing.  I want to know WHY something doesn't work. I
have learned more about carburators in the last year from you then I
learned in the last 20 years on my own taking them appart. This is in
fact how this string got started!!!.... I determined from what I
learned from you last year that my engine wanted more fuel and tossed
it out to the group to validate my deductions!!

I am not sure if we got to the bottom of the slow jet size question,
but 20 years ago I worked night shift in a CNC milling/machine shop as
a second job. I may be rusty but I have a little expierence reading a
micrometer.   I think you were correct last year when you indicated
the #35 slow jet is 0.011" not four times larger at 0.050" .

Move the decimal if you want but I think its in the correct place
since my mic readings are consitent with the labeling on the wire
packages. I can pass a 0.013 wire but not a 0.015 through a #38 Keihin
slow jet. So since a #35 is smaller I am deducting the size is closer
to the 0.011 then it is to something over 4 times larger at 0.050. If
my decimal location is wrong then we are talking about something 10
times smaller in diammeter then 12 # fishing line and that an
extremely small hole to try and push fuel through.

By the way the bigger slow jets seemed to be working better, I will
know more once I get the front end aligned and can test ride it.

For those that read this far.. I saw a 700 out side a tire store in Ft
Pierce on Tuesday and stopped and talked to the owner Carl.  He
apparently has a complete parts bike if you need parts and cant find
them on E-bay. His number is 772-337-5262

Glen..




On Feb 3, 11:10 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
> Isn't .001 of a dollar 1/10 cent ? .01 is one penny.
>
> ________________________________
> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 9:17:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> One tenth of one doller is one dime .10. Ten dimes are one doller. One penny 
> is one hunderth of a doller. One hunderd pennys are
> one doller. .001 is one penny.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> It's a matter of semantics. In my game .11 is called eleven tens. Then .011 
> is eleven hundredth and .0011 is eleven thousandth.  
> As the kids say, whatever.
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Glen <[email protected]>
> To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:16:27 PM
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> Dennis:
>
> If 0.005 is five thousandths (agree) then 0.011 is eleven thousandths
> not  eleven hundreths.  eleven hundreths would be 0.11
>
> The diammeters I reported were written on the labels and then
> confirmed by my mic. I passed a 0.013 inch wire  ( measured and
> printed on the label) through a #38 jet.
>
> Glen
>
> On Feb 2, 4:40 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
> > OK, take a deep breath and let's review. I specified .005" for a #35 jet. 
> > That's five one thousandth of an inch.
> > further, .011" is eleven hundredth and waaay too big. I don't have a 
> > measurement for a #40 at hand.
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Glen <[email protected]>
> > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 5:57:40 PM
> > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> > Dennis:
>
> > I thought I was missreading my micrometer so I got out several items
> > of known diammeter to check. Labeling on fishing lines these days
> > tells you both pound test and diammeter of the line.  So since I have
> > eveything from 300# down to 6# line I started checking labels and
> > verifying with my micrometer.  I have a caliper style mic and the
> > smallest increment mark is 0.001" as indicated on the face of the
> > dial. The results are the following:
>
> > 200# line is 0.050 inch (1.27 mm),
> > 40# line is 0.025 inch (0.64 mm),
> > 17# line is 0.015 inch (0.38 mm)
> > 12#  line is 0.013 inch (0.33 mm),
> > 6# line is 0.010 inch (0.25 mm)
>
> > You can check most fishing supply catalogs online at Cabelas or Bass
> > Pro and you will find similar line diameters (manufactures vary).
>
> > So as I said, I can pass a 0.013"  (0.33 mm) wire through a new Keihin
> > #38 slow jets but I can not pass a 0.015" (0.38 mm). Confirmed this is
> > not a typo 13/1000.
>
> > Therefore, I believe you were right the first time with a#35 slow jet
> > bore diameter at 0.011" (0.279 mm).
>
> > You work in shop right, pull a few jets off the shelf and check them.
>
> > Glen
>
> > On Feb 1, 11:38 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Add another zero.... .005" not .05.
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Glen <[email protected]>
> > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 9:11:56 PM
> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> > > Dennis:
>
> > > I think you had the slow jet size right the first time.  I tried to re-
> > > wire my slow jets as you suggested with a 0.050 drill bit and broke it
> > > off in the jet when I tried to tap it through and it got stuck. I
> > > ordered four new original Kein #38 slow jets which is the next size up
> > > from the factory #35. I am able to pass a 0.013 inch wire but not a
> > > 0.015 through the new #38. If a #38 is bigger than a #35 it seems to
> > > reason that a #35 is likley smaller than 0.013 and certainly not  4
> > > times larger at 0.050
>
> > > A frame of reference for those without a pair of micrometers:
>
> > > 200# mono fishing line is 0.050 inch,
> > > 40# mono fishing line is 0.025 inch,
> > > 12# mono fishing line is 0.013 inch,
> > > 6# mono fishing line is 0.010 inch
>
> > > Glen
>
> > > On Jan 15, 10:37 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > You're at sea level.... 40 maybe. Clean 35 first.
>
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 10:26:18 PM
> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > What do you think about up sizzing to a 40 or 42 slow jet?
>
> > > > Looking forward to alignment... left side of tire is less then 50%.
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 10:05 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes. Reclean. My mistake. It was pointed out to me and went back and 
> > > > > measured the exact sizes.
> > > > > Correct alignment ? I'll prepare a list of needed tools. Time 
> > > > > consuming and sometimes disappointing.
>
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:51:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> > > > > Dennis:
>
> > > > > If the slow jet is #38 is 0.005" then when I wired it last year with a
> > > > > 0.0011 diameter wire I did not clean it properly to 0.005". Should I
> > > > > try cleaning them again with a 0.005" wire or buy new ones?
>
> > > > > How do I correct alignment?
>
> > > > > On Jan 15, 9:37 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The alignment of your bike is off, shifting the contact point from 
> > > > > > the center of the tire to one side. You broke off  before getting 
> > > > > > to fine tuning a chassis.
>
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > > To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 9:06:49 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Carb/K&N Tunning
>
> > > > > > I am on my own, but thanks to the NH Lovers and folks like Dennis 
> > > > > > H, I
> > > > > > am learning...
>
> > > > > > Still puzzled about my tire wear issue,  may check archive.
>
> > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:58 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Well, good luck :) I'm just grateful that I know ppl that speak 
> > > > > > > carburetor.
>
> > > > > > > -Kyle
>
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Snookfever 
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Kyle:
>
> > > > > > > > Thanks I found a message from Dennis from May of 2009 on the 
> > > > > > > > subject
> > > > > > > > of  700S carb:
>
> > > > > > > > Dennis wrote: "The actuall size of the hole in a slow jet (#38) 
> > > > > > > > is .
> > > > > > > > 0011" That's eleven ten thousands of an inch. No typo."
>
> > > > > > > > Final Jepoardy : I found two Keihin slow jets N424-21 and 
> > > > > > > > N424-26
> > > > > > > > (http://www.pjmotorsports.com/keihin_jets_&_parts.htm) The 
> > > > > > > > diiference
> > > > > > > > being the length 28 mm vs 23.5 mm.  I think its N424-21
>
> > > > > > > > Since the Keihin slow jets range in size from (35, 38, 40, 42, 
> > > > > > > > 45, 48,
> > > > > > > > 50, 52, 55, 58, 60, 62, 65, 68, 70, 72, 75, 78, 80)  and they 
> > > > > > > > are $7
> > > > > > > > each I may buy a set of size 40 and 42.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 8:14 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Just go 
> > > > > > > > > tohttp://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_loversandinthetop
> > > > > > > > > right corner is a 'search this group' box. As to translating 
> > > > > > > > > jet sizes I
> > > > > > > > > have no idea how that's done, I just went with what Dennis 
> > > > > > > > > said he'd
> > > > > > > > > measured. The kit I got from starcycle came with two sizes to 
> > > > > > > > > choose
> > > > > > > > from,
> > > > > > > > > we simply went with the smaller of the two because I wanted 
> > > > > > > > > to maintain
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > semblance of gas mileage. They worked great so I've still got 
> > > > > > > > > the larger
> > > > > > > > > sized jets in the box.
>
> > > > > > > > > -Kyle
> > > > > > > > > -Sent from Houston, TX, United States
>
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Snookfever 
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Kyle:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, how did you search old messages?  I recall a 
> > > > > > > > > > message from
> > > > > > > > > > Dennis last year when I first cleaned the carbs and I 
> > > > > > > > > > thought he
> > > > > > > > > > indicated the slow jet being 0.0011. I remember sanding a 
> > > > > > > > > > leader wire
> > > > > > > > > > to clean it.  Several web sites sell jets for Keihin carbs, 
> > > > > > > > > > but the
> > > > > > > > > > size range is 35-80.  How do you translate the size number 
> > > > > > > > > > to the bore
> > > > > > > > > > diameter?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 7:49 pm, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, what I learned about jet sizes, is that 
> > > > > > > > > > > they're
> > > > > > > > arbitrary.
> > > > > > > > > > > What one company might call a #35 for example doesn't 
> > > > > > > > > > > really mean
> > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > to others. I think honda calls the stock jets #115 and 
> > > > > > > > > > > #35. A quick
> > > > > > > > > > search
> > > > > > > > > > > of the group's archived messages turns up a msg from 
> > > > > > > > > > > Dennis
> > > > > > > > translating
> > > > > > > > > > > those to inches for us.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The size of the #115 main jet in your bike is .041"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The #35 is .005"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > -Kyle
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Snookfever 
> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]
>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kyle:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you recall the size of the slow jet you used?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Allen:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The K&N lets in more air but slower air which mean less 
> > > > > > > > > > > > fuel/
> > > > > > > > > > > > leaner.The cup inside the K&N does not restrict air 
> > > > > > > > > > > > flow it
> > > > > > > > > > > > accelerates it so it can pick up more fuel..
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 1:40 pm, Allen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyle, if you had to put a yogurt cup in the air 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cleaner to
>
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