we knew it was cheep then... and this was before they were on the net....
and also before i knew they had retail stores... this was catalog stuff only
then... i kinda miss that.... some kids waited for there comic books, i
waited for the new HF catalog... kinda suprized im not more of a gearhead
then i already am

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]>wrote:

> Well, there's not much to go wrong with a drill press; however and
> nevertheless, I am sure he got it when they were better quality than now.
> The HF here has reduced the available items in their store.  Want something
> more than what's on the display shelves and tables, gotta go to the net.
> If you don't see the sockets on a peg rack for individual sale, then you
> know they probably don't have a bring-it-in-and-get-a-new-one
> policy like Sears.
> Stanley
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* paul annen <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Mon, July 26, 2010 10:13:13 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
>
> on the other hand the drill press dad bought from HF when i was 6 just died
> 4 years ago... and that thing got abused frequently.... so, he definitaly
> got his use out of that one
>
> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, stanley/ Randolph 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>>   There's a reason why those Jap two -stroke engines like Tanaka,
>> Shindaiwa, Robin, and Honda are so expensive:  they LAST for YEARS.  The
>> cheap Chinese copies are just copies with little or no adherence to
>> top quality.  Even if you find an expensive one, beware, because it
>> (price) could be a ruse.
>> BTW, Echo is good, but Shindaiwa is better.  Their sales pitch is
>> accurate:  first to start, last to quit.  I don't go do a lot of lawn
>> service, but I know from the use I have gotten out of mine that it is better
>> than a Honda trimmer.  Guys I have talked with who do it big time and have a
>> rig with three Shindaiwa trimmers and two Lexmark mowers don't have to buy
>> new ones because the old one gave up.  It's because they left one unlocked
>> and someone coming by stole it while they weren't looking.
>> All lawn service types lock their equipment on the trailers now and leave
>> nothing lying around, for that reason.  THEFT!!!
>> I have one of those gensets with a 4-stroke, and it's the same thing, only
>> it's not starting after *one* tank of fuel.
>> Cheap Chinese engines.
>> Stanley
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* paul annen <[email protected]>
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Mon, July 26, 2010 6:45:00 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
>>
>> i havent had any issues returning crap epqupment to HF... i bought a pair
>> of gensets from them a few months ago (yes i bought there replacement plan
>> too).... those little 2hp 2 stroke gens werent worth crap and would all die
>> on there 3rd tank of fuel.... so i would swap them out and take the bad one
>> to the store....10 mins lateri had a new one... problem was that i got tired
>> of swaping them out and returned them both for cash, no questions asked...
>>
>>
>>  and i love the kobolt tools
>>
>>   On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I no longer do PC repair full time so I've gone back to a regular
>>> magnetic screwdriver. For the majority of my tools I usually go to Harbor
>>> Freight because it's cheap, or Home Depot because it's close. I don't expect
>>> much out of the HF tools, but I've been surprised by some too. Cheap and
>>> they've lasted longer than I expected. I picked up a gimicky wobble headed
>>> ratchet from them a few years ago. It didn't look very sturdy but it was
>>> cheap so I gave it a try. That's the first one I reach for each time and
>>> it's still going strong after several hours of wrenching on the cars and
>>> bikes.
>>> I traded in the old weed eater and bought an Echo. Straight shaft and it
>>> starts on 3rd pull. I picked up spare heads for it at the time I bought it
>>> so I'm not worried about it anymore. The lawnmower I've still got but I've
>>> torn it down a couple of times and rebuilt it. Underneath that Craftsman
>>> badging was a cheap tecumseh engine which isn't very stock anymore. I keep
>>> threatening to buy a toro or honda mower but instead I keep rebuilding this
>>> one...
>>>
>>> -Kyle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:17 PM, stanley/ Randolph 
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Being as I buy commercial line trimmers, I don't have that problem.
>>>> I go to one of the local shops to replace or repair what I can not do
>>>> myself.  I can get a new  head for my Shindaiwa trimmer for around $40 and
>>>> replace it myself.  I have two heads now, one which feeds the line
>>>> automatically without the bump thing; and the other, a bump head, which is
>>>> the original and is starting to exhibit an imbalance, which means time for 
>>>> a
>>>> new one.
>>>> My Shindaiwa is like over 20years old and still starts on the third
>>>> pull, and I have used it for doing lawns commercially.  I have an Ariens 
>>>> 30"
>>>> hedge clipper that I bought in 1988 and it still starts the third  pull. Of
>>>> course, I use Amsoil two stroke oil for lawn equipment...
>>>> Other things, I usually buy commercial grade because I know that almost
>>>> all of the merchandise they sell today is made mostly for the homeowner to
>>>> use on a single job or two around the house and then sit and collect dust,
>>>> until out of warranty, and then you use it maybe a year or two down the 
>>>> line
>>>> and it gives up.
>>>> WallyWorld does sell Stanley hand tools, which are good and reasonably
>>>> priced, but the warranty thing is still the problem.  I do not wear out
>>>> tools like I used to, so the best bet for the money is the Stanley sets at
>>>> WW or Pittsburg at Harbor Frgt.
>>>> If you want a good small driver for working on computers all day I would
>>>> get a Makita, Bosch, or Rigid, the latter which you can get guaranteed for
>>>> life free online after purchase.  Bosch makes some of their stuff in China
>>>> now, but it must meet the German specs or gets rejected.  A friend of mine
>>>> who ownd a fastener business sell mostly US made, but deals with suppliers
>>>> who buy Chinese, but to their specs.  They have to inspect every shipment
>>>> and if it doesn't pass muster they reject iot and send it back.  Their
>>>> Chinese suppliers have learned not to try to pass something off on them.  
>>>> In
>>>> those cases, Chinese is grudgingly acceptable to my friend.
>>>> I have broken off or rounded out  many screws or screwheads from Lowe's
>>>> or home Depot, or WallyWorld until I found out he sells sheetrock, wood, 
>>>> and
>>>> sheet metal screws:  no more broken screws or rounded out heads..  And
>>>> that's not mentioning the poor quality and ridiculous price for bits at
>>>> those places...
>>>>
>>>> Stanley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Kyle Munz <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>> *Sent:* Sun, July 25, 2010 5:33:30 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
>>>>
>>>> Bad customer service is usually the first sign that a nat'l chain is
>>>> about to go under. They used to sell a small electric screwdriver. I've
>>>> never seen another one that small and handy. Not much power, but perfect
>>>> amount of torque for working on PCs. I was using one 8hours a day but they
>>>> would only last around 4-5 mos. I'd take it back and swap it out. The third
>>>> one they decided not to replace for me. They decided I was being too rough
>>>> on it. I guess I wasn't supposed to use it to turn screws.
>>>> I also had a Craftsman brand lawnmower that essentially was crap. Again
>>>> same customer service problems, trying to get them to own up to their own
>>>> faulty products.
>>>> My favorite is that you can no longer get parts through their retail
>>>> stores. You have to find one of their warehouses or repair centers which 
>>>> are
>>>> always inconveniently placed. Why the !#$% can't I order another head for 
>>>> my
>>>> weed eater where I bought it? Would it kill them to have it at the store 
>>>> the
>>>> next day for me to pick up? Really?
>>>>
>>>> -Kyle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:34 PM, stanley/ Randolph <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   Was it Sears or was it K-Mart?  Or did they just do a mutual
>>>>> merger?  I  never heard the whole story.  But you're right, it's not the
>>>>> same, and they outsource their appliance repair now, and have sold off 
>>>>> their
>>>>> fleet of trucks and vans.
>>>>> I see now that you still have a choice between made here or made in
>>>>> China, mostly in self-defense.  But the China goods don't have the 
>>>>> lifetime
>>>>> warranty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stanley
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, July 25, 2010 8:43:16 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
>>>>>
>>>>> Sears is not what it once was.  Keep in mind they were bankrupt just a
>>>>> few years ago and now are part of Kmart.
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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