and a local store for me....

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Northern tool still has a catalogue.
>
> On 7/26/10, paul annen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > we knew it was cheep then... and this was before they were on the net....
> > and also before i knew they had retail stores... this was catalog stuff
> only
> > then... i kinda miss that.... some kids waited for there comic books, i
> > waited for the new HF catalog... kinda suprized im not more of a gearhead
> > then i already am
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:47 PM, stanley/ Randolph
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >
> >> Well, there's not much to go wrong with a drill press; however and
> >> nevertheless, I am sure he got it when they were better quality than
> now.
> >> The HF here has reduced the available items in their store.  Want
> >> something
> >> more than what's on the display shelves and tables, gotta go to the net.
> >> If you don't see the sockets on a peg rack for individual sale, then you
> >> know they probably don't have a bring-it-in-and-get-a-new-one
> >> policy like Sears.
> >> Stanley
> >>
> >>
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> *From:* paul annen <[email protected]>
> >> *To:* [email protected]
> >> *Sent:* Mon, July 26, 2010 10:13:13 AM
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
> >>
> >> on the other hand the drill press dad bought from HF when i was 6 just
> >> died
> >> 4 years ago... and that thing got abused frequently.... so, he
> definitaly
> >> got his use out of that one
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM, stanley/ Randolph
> >> <[email protected]>wrote:
> >>
> >>>   There's a reason why those Jap two -stroke engines like Tanaka,
> >>> Shindaiwa, Robin, and Honda are so expensive:  they LAST for YEARS.
>  The
> >>> cheap Chinese copies are just copies with little or no adherence to
> >>> top quality.  Even if you find an expensive one, beware, because it
> >>> (price) could be a ruse.
> >>> BTW, Echo is good, but Shindaiwa is better.  Their sales pitch is
> >>> accurate:  first to start, last to quit.  I don't go do a lot of lawn
> >>> service, but I know from the use I have gotten out of mine that it is
> >>> better
> >>> than a Honda trimmer.  Guys I have talked with who do it big time and
> >>> have a
> >>> rig with three Shindaiwa trimmers and two Lexmark mowers don't have to
> >>> buy
> >>> new ones because the old one gave up.  It's because they left one
> >>> unlocked
> >>> and someone coming by stole it while they weren't looking.
> >>> All lawn service types lock their equipment on the trailers now and
> leave
> >>> nothing lying around, for that reason.  THEFT!!!
> >>> I have one of those gensets with a 4-stroke, and it's the same thing,
> >>> only
> >>> it's not starting after *one* tank of fuel.
> >>> Cheap Chinese engines.
> >>> Stanley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* paul annen <[email protected]>
> >>>
> >>> *To:* [email protected]
> >>> *Sent:* Mon, July 26, 2010 6:45:00 AM
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
> >>>
> >>> i havent had any issues returning crap epqupment to HF... i bought a
> pair
> >>> of gensets from them a few months ago (yes i bought there replacement
> >>> plan
> >>> too).... those little 2hp 2 stroke gens werent worth crap and would all
> >>> die
> >>> on there 3rd tank of fuel.... so i would swap them out and take the bad
> >>> one
> >>> to the store....10 mins lateri had a new one... problem was that i got
> >>> tired
> >>> of swaping them out and returned them both for cash, no questions
> >>> asked...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  and i love the kobolt tools
> >>>
> >>>   On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I no longer do PC repair full time so I've gone back to a regular
> >>>> magnetic screwdriver. For the majority of my tools I usually go to
> >>>> Harbor
> >>>> Freight because it's cheap, or Home Depot because it's close. I don't
> >>>> expect
> >>>> much out of the HF tools, but I've been surprised by some too. Cheap
> and
> >>>> they've lasted longer than I expected. I picked up a gimicky wobble
> >>>> headed
> >>>> ratchet from them a few years ago. It didn't look very sturdy but it
> was
> >>>> cheap so I gave it a try. That's the first one I reach for each time
> and
> >>>> it's still going strong after several hours of wrenching on the cars
> and
> >>>> bikes.
> >>>> I traded in the old weed eater and bought an Echo. Straight shaft and
> it
> >>>> starts on 3rd pull. I picked up spare heads for it at the time I
> bought
> >>>> it
> >>>> so I'm not worried about it anymore. The lawnmower I've still got but
> >>>> I've
> >>>> torn it down a couple of times and rebuilt it. Underneath that
> Craftsman
> >>>> badging was a cheap tecumseh engine which isn't very stock anymore. I
> >>>> keep
> >>>> threatening to buy a toro or honda mower but instead I keep rebuilding
> >>>> this
> >>>> one...
> >>>>
> >>>> -Kyle
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:17 PM, stanley/ Randolph
> >>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>   Being as I buy commercial line trimmers, I don't have that problem.
> >>>>> I go to one of the local shops to replace or repair what I can not do
> >>>>> myself.  I can get a new  head for my Shindaiwa trimmer for around
> $40
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> replace it myself.  I have two heads now, one which feeds the line
> >>>>> automatically without the bump thing; and the other, a bump head,
> which
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> the original and is starting to exhibit an imbalance, which means
> time
> >>>>> for a
> >>>>> new one.
> >>>>> My Shindaiwa is like over 20years old and still starts on the third
> >>>>> pull, and I have used it for doing lawns commercially.  I have an
> >>>>> Ariens 30"
> >>>>> hedge clipper that I bought in 1988 and it still starts the third
> >>>>> pull. Of
> >>>>> course, I use Amsoil two stroke oil for lawn equipment...
> >>>>> Other things, I usually buy commercial grade because I know that
> almost
> >>>>> all of the merchandise they sell today is made mostly for the
> homeowner
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> use on a single job or two around the house and then sit and collect
> >>>>> dust,
> >>>>> until out of warranty, and then you use it maybe a year or two down
> the
> >>>>> line
> >>>>> and it gives up.
> >>>>> WallyWorld does sell Stanley hand tools, which are good and
> reasonably
> >>>>> priced, but the warranty thing is still the problem.  I do not wear
> out
> >>>>> tools like I used to, so the best bet for the money is the Stanley
> sets
> >>>>> at
> >>>>> WW or Pittsburg at Harbor Frgt.
> >>>>> If you want a good small driver for working on computers all day I
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> get a Makita, Bosch, or Rigid, the latter which you can get
> guaranteed
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> life free online after purchase.  Bosch makes some of their stuff in
> >>>>> China
> >>>>> now, but it must meet the German specs or gets rejected.  A friend of
> >>>>> mine
> >>>>> who ownd a fastener business sell mostly US made, but deals with
> >>>>> suppliers
> >>>>> who buy Chinese, but to their specs.  They have to inspect every
> >>>>> shipment
> >>>>> and if it doesn't pass muster they reject iot and send it back.
>  Their
> >>>>> Chinese suppliers have learned not to try to pass something off on
> >>>>> them.  In
> >>>>> those cases, Chinese is grudgingly acceptable to my friend.
> >>>>> I have broken off or rounded out  many screws or screwheads from
> Lowe's
> >>>>> or home Depot, or WallyWorld until I found out he sells sheetrock,
> >>>>> wood, and
> >>>>> sheet metal screws:  no more broken screws or rounded out heads..
>  And
> >>>>> that's not mentioning the poor quality and ridiculous price for bits
> at
> >>>>> those places...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stanley
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>> *From:* Kyle Munz <[email protected]>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *To:* [email protected]
> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, July 25, 2010 5:33:30 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bad customer service is usually the first sign that a nat'l chain is
> >>>>> about to go under. They used to sell a small electric screwdriver.
> I've
> >>>>> never seen another one that small and handy. Not much power, but
> >>>>> perfect
> >>>>> amount of torque for working on PCs. I was using one 8hours a day but
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> would only last around 4-5 mos. I'd take it back and swap it out. The
> >>>>> third
> >>>>> one they decided not to replace for me. They decided I was being too
> >>>>> rough
> >>>>> on it. I guess I wasn't supposed to use it to turn screws.
> >>>>> I also had a Craftsman brand lawnmower that essentially was crap.
> Again
> >>>>> same customer service problems, trying to get them to own up to their
> >>>>> own
> >>>>> faulty products.
> >>>>> My favorite is that you can no longer get parts through their retail
> >>>>> stores. You have to find one of their warehouses or repair centers
> >>>>> which are
> >>>>> always inconveniently placed. Why the !#$% can't I order another head
> >>>>> for my
> >>>>> weed eater where I bought it? Would it kill them to have it at the
> >>>>> store the
> >>>>> next day for me to pick up? Really?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Kyle
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:34 PM, stanley/ Randolph <
> [email protected]
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>   Was it Sears or was it K-Mart?  Or did they just do a mutual
> >>>>>> merger?  I  never heard the whole story.  But you're right, it's not
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> same, and they outsource their appliance repair now, and have sold
> off
> >>>>>> their
> >>>>>> fleet of trucks and vans.
> >>>>>> I see now that you still have a choice between made here or made in
> >>>>>> China, mostly in self-defense.  But the China goods don't have the
> >>>>>> lifetime
> >>>>>> warranty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Stanley
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  ------------------------------
> >>>>>> *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
> >>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, July 25, 2010 8:43:16 AM
> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] tool theft
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sears is not what it once was.  Keep in mind they were bankrupt just
> a
> >>>>>> few years ago and now are part of Kmart.
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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