Adam: From a job point of view Bryan is Isaac boss (I'm assuming?). Bryan was also the first sponsor of node and enabled Ryan in the early days. Also Bryan did defend Isaac in that post and honestly that was correct: Isaacs behavior was always correct and bare in mid that in this whole ordeal he was under attack but he kept himself calm and responded appropriately.
What Mikeal means is that it's not fair to ask Isaac (or core) for responsibility on this matter. He is trying to tell everyone node is about people not companies; and those people are stronger than the will of their employers. Let's trust Mikeal and Isaac with this. They earned that much. And I have not seen a single person defend the insult part of Bryan's post. However he is responsible for his actions regardless of how shocking they are. This is a joyent problem; not node core. It was not on nodejs.org. I had Bryan as a hero and right now I don't. And personally I saw a bunch of early adopters leaving joyent the past few days, and I don't find that surprising. Trust is build in years but destroyed in seconds. It's sad, but that's it. If joyent wants that changed they need to acknowledge the situation and take measures. But does that concern node? No. For node everything remains the same Keep the calm and carry on, Nuno On Friday, December 6, 2013, Adam Crabtree wrote: > @Isaac S > > A leveled and rational response that ignores Bryan Cantrill shockingly > inflammatory public attempt at shaming Ben. The community response is > (mostly) based on public information, so if there is a private > justification for Bryan's publicly rude behavior and treatment of a > community member Joyent should clear the air, apologize, or understand that > the community is right to condemn such behavior by one of Joyent's > officers. I was disappointed and shocked to see such malice on Joyent's or > any corporate blog. > > Unfortunately, this is not the first time I've witnessed rude behavior by > Joyent staff, as I recall being called a troll publicly by you on Twitter > while I attempted to have a discussion on a proposal for improving error > handling in core. We're all in this together, and Joyent needs to > understand they're in a position of responsibility and hopefully after this > will start acting like it. > > Cheers, > Adam Crabtree > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Isaac Schlueter <[email protected]> wrote: > > Perhaps against my better judgement, I want to try to clear up a few > things. > > First of all, to characterize Ben's departure, or the whole recent drama, > as being over pronoun usage, is a radical oversimplification. > > Every group has internal tensions, and ours is no different. It is normal > and healthy for projects like Node to gradually cycle new members in and > out as people's interests, skills, and motivation shift over time. > Remember that Ryan guy? He sure wrote a lot of code. When he left, > people said that Node wouldn't survive. The tech press called it a "mic > drop", even though it was 6 months in the making (of course, how would they > know that Ryan and I worked closely for a long time planning his > departure?) And yet, here we are. People sometimes give me credit for > being his replacement, but that's really unfair praise. When he left, we > suffered from that loss, and we just had to figure out how to carry on. > Same for Igor, Felix, Paul, and all the rest who once were extremely > engaged and are now either watching from the sidelines, or not even > watching at all. That's life, and growing pains suck for a little while, > but it's actually a sign of health. > > Most of the time, we announce new project member additions, but do not > announce project members leaving. Typically, leaving the project happens > gradually, and there's really no point making any kind of public > announcement about it. This is the second time that we've done so. (The > first was Ryan handing off the project lead spot to me.) Ben made the > decision to leave, and publicly stated this on GitHub and in an email to > the core libuv team. I wrote this message (and sent it only after getting > feedback from the rest of the team), because I felt that it was important > to call out the good things he's done for us and wish him the best. > > Ben's done a ton of work on Node core and libuv, including writing code, > managing issues, reviewing patches, and mentoring newcomers. For that, we > should all be thankful. He's not a sexist or a bigot or a horrible person, > and perhaps after some time he'll be more involved with Node again. Who > knows? There was (and still is) a lot of negativity in the air, and the > best thing we can all do is let the dust settle, and move on. > > This FUD around "What if you're the next Ben?!" is ridiculous. It's a bit > like seeing someone break up with their significant other, and wondering if > you can be friends with them, since they are no longer with that other > person you also like. "If he broke HER heart, he can break mine!" But it > doesn't actually work that way. Similarly with the complaints about how no > one spoke to Ben privately. (Which is absurd on the face of it--how could > you even know what we said to one another in private? That's how privacy > works!) > > I understand that, from the outside, an event like this seems like it > happens in one flash, and certainly there were some rather sudden fireworks > last week. But no one decides to join or leave a project overnight like > that. Ben is a smart guy with many talents. He'll do fine, I'm sure. > > We all enjoy the addictive dopamine rush of conflict. We all have > opinions about who did what wrong, and fears that they might do it to us. > Some people will try to serve their own interests by fanning the flames to > generate press, or try to push the community in a direction that suits > them, or take a cheap shot at a project that they see as a threat to their > own. The best thing we can do is keep calm and get back to what we were > doing. > > The future is much bigger than the past. Let's get to it. > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Mihai Ene <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Ben for your great contributions! 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