How about we start assuming that individuals are responsible for their own actions rather that shills for their current employer. Pretty much everyone we're talking about has a career and credibility extending much farther back than their current employment.
-Mikeal On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:46PM, Adam Crabtree <[email protected]> wrote: > @Isaac S > > A leveled and rational response that ignores Bryan Cantrill shockingly > inflammatory public attempt at shaming Ben. The community response is > (mostly) based on public information, so if there is a private justification > for Bryan's publicly rude behavior and treatment of a community member Joyent > should clear the air, apologize, or understand that the community is right to > condemn such behavior by one of Joyent's officers. I was disappointed and > shocked to see such malice on Joyent's or any corporate blog. > > Unfortunately, this is not the first time I've witnessed rude behavior by > Joyent staff, as I recall being called a troll publicly by you on Twitter > while I attempted to have a discussion on a proposal for improving error > handling in core. We're all in this together, and Joyent needs to understand > they're in a position of responsibility and hopefully after this will start > acting like it. > > Cheers, > Adam Crabtree > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Isaac Schlueter <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps against my better judgement, I want to try to clear up a few things. > > First of all, to characterize Ben's departure, or the whole recent drama, as > being over pronoun usage, is a radical oversimplification. > > Every group has internal tensions, and ours is no different. It is normal > and healthy for projects like Node to gradually cycle new members in and out > as people's interests, skills, and motivation shift over time. Remember that > Ryan guy? He sure wrote a lot of code. When he left, people said that Node > wouldn't survive. The tech press called it a "mic drop", even though it was > 6 months in the making (of course, how would they know that Ryan and I worked > closely for a long time planning his departure?) And yet, here we are. > People sometimes give me credit for being his replacement, but that's really > unfair praise. When he left, we suffered from that loss, and we just had to > figure out how to carry on. Same for Igor, Felix, Paul, and all the rest who > once were extremely engaged and are now either watching from the sidelines, > or not even watching at all. That's life, and growing pains suck for a > little while, but it's actually a sign of health. > > Most of the time, we announce new project member additions, but do not > announce project members leaving. Typically, leaving the project happens > gradually, and there's really no point making any kind of public announcement > about it. This is the second time that we've done so. (The first was Ryan > handing off the project lead spot to me.) Ben made the decision to leave, > and publicly stated this on GitHub and in an email to the core libuv team. I > wrote this message (and sent it only after getting feedback from the rest of > the team), because I felt that it was important to call out the good things > he's done for us and wish him the best. > > Ben's done a ton of work on Node core and libuv, including writing code, > managing issues, reviewing patches, and mentoring newcomers. For that, we > should all be thankful. He's not a sexist or a bigot or a horrible person, > and perhaps after some time he'll be more involved with Node again. Who > knows? There was (and still is) a lot of negativity in the air, and the best > thing we can all do is let the dust settle, and move on. > > This FUD around "What if you're the next Ben?!" is ridiculous. It's a bit > like seeing someone break up with their significant other, and wondering if > you can be friends with them, since they are no longer with that other person > you also like. "If he broke HER heart, he can break mine!" But it doesn't > actually work that way. Similarly with the complaints about how no one spoke > to Ben privately. (Which is absurd on the face of it--how could you even > know what we said to one another in private? That's how privacy works!) > > I understand that, from the outside, an event like this seems like it happens > in one flash, and certainly there were some rather sudden fireworks last > week. But no one decides to join or leave a project overnight like that. > Ben is a smart guy with many talents. He'll do fine, I'm sure. > > We all enjoy the addictive dopamine rush of conflict. We all have opinions > about who did what wrong, and fears that they might do it to us. Some people > will try to serve their own interests by fanning the flames to generate > press, or try to push the community in a direction that suits them, or take a > cheap shot at a project that they see as a threat to their own. The best > thing we can do is keep calm and get back to what we were doing. > > The future is much bigger than the past. Let's get to it. > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Mihai Ene <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Ben for your great contributions! 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