----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: A clue to understand USA
JM says: (2) Passably polite response: Truman did no such thing. He supported a partition resolution whose purpose was the creation of two states, one for the Jews and one for the Palestinians. He was in fact warned by Secretary of Defense James Forrestal that creating a Jewish homeland on Arab land in this manner was a formula for constant conflict, but a mixture of successful lobbying by American Jews supporting the UN resolution, the importance of Jewish votes and contributions in truman's past and future elections (he had plans to run for president himself in 1948) and his own Christian beliefs combined to make him support the resolution. In addition to the books I mentioned in my follow-up message to Jerry yesterday (the studies by Sachar and Schoenbaum), you can get a good sense of Truman's dilemma from Alonzo Hamby, "Man of the People: A LIfe of Harry S. Truman" (Oxford, 1995), pp. 404-417, which covers the events surrounding the partition of Palestine. MM says: The above statement is not only longer but also much more unclear than JM's previous statement. which simply stated: "Now as far as Israel is concerned..... Well, it is true that Truman supported the creation of the state of Israel, and it is likely the UN resolution would have failed without US support" My comment was, of course, in response to JM's short answer. Are you saying now Truman wasn't very effective in creating of the state of Israel or opposing to it? (I don't think you need to recite the entire history of Jews to answer that question. Am I ignorant? Of course I am, to a degree. I am not interested in knowing everything in the world available to know. A pedantic person is not always wise or intelligent, or can be insightful. Or even informative. Just try to smoke the issue.) I am not particularly trying to criticize Truman. It was you who said "Truman supported the creation of the state of Israel." You now seem to be saying that Truman was very wishy-washy and neither approved nor disapproved, but clearly under the influence of pro-Jewish lobbyists. I have no intention of criticizing US if US, as a nation, supported the establishment of the Jewish state in the middle of the sea of Islamic nations to further US interests there because as Alan says, each state has its own policy. I am simply saying that it was a silly thing to do seeing what we have at hands, i.e., endless wars and terrorist actions. (Terrorism is simply another military action in the eyes of terrorists. It's a poor man's war. If Hamas had the same number of soldiers and advanced military hardwares, they would not have recourse to miserable attacks of few ineffective rockets or scurrying around with machine guns set up on pickup trucks, which Israel calls, terrorisms; they would have done precision air raids on Israeli cities as Israelis are doing.) Minoru Minoru --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Persons posting messages to not_honyaku assume all responsibility for their messages. The list owner does not review messages prior to posting, and accepts no responsibility for the content of messages posted. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
