I personally do not like the work "Engineer" in the MCSE. I have close acqaintances with Electrical Engineers...and it always very embarassing to even mention that I have something called an MCSE....so I always try to avoid spelling out what it means if it ever comes out...I guess I should go get a real degree if I want to not be embarassed about the work Engineer...but hell, MCSE is so much easier :)
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ed Esgro > Sent: April 2, 2002 4:15 PM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > Now imagine that guy as your brain surgeon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:12 PM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > Most of the MCSEs I have come across are pretty > knowledgeable. People I > would hire any day. > > Although, we did hire one MCSE that did not know how to > create a shortcut > on the desktop... needless to say, he did not last to long... > > Jacob > > At 03:47 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Good thing MCSE's only work on computers. Imagine the MCSE > equivalent of a > >brain surgeon. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:22 PM > >To: NT 2000 Discussions > >Subject: Re: MCSE Certification > > > >I have to agree that there is a big void in "communication > skills" between > >the elders of the industry and the newbies! > >It is a shame simply because so much can be learned in both > directions. > > > >David > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Byron Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "NT 2000 Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:59 PM > >Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > > > > > Just to beat this poor the a little more....... > > > > > > SOAPBOX=ON > > > > > > 1. having the certs and not advertising them in some form > is all but > > > senseless given the labor pool and HR pressures. > However, i think > there > >is > > > something to be said for having tact. I use them on my > resume, and > simply > > > refer to them professionally if asked. I kinda like the > inquisitive > > > surprise more than the glamour. > > > > > > 2. These boot-camps should be banned, or Microsoft should > require an > > > apprentice period under tutelage with said professional, > such as with > the > > > CE, CPA, etc. (also relates to issues in #3). I've met > numbers of MCSEs > > > billing $100 bucks an hour who had brick-laying (1) careers just 3 > months > > > before. I go, "what", while internally feeling sorry for > the clients. > > > > > > 3. Just for a dissenting opinion regarding bright-eye'd > cert gremlins > vs. > > > old-timer/computer geeks. While I've met a good number of > "old-timer" > > > computer geeks who i to this day admire passionately and go to for > advise > > > often, I've discovered many more, unfortunately enough, > where i just > walk > > > away shaking my head saying "get a fu$%ing clue". While > many often > carry > >a > > > great wisdom regarding specific systems in the days of > old, and can wow > >you > > > with assembly language talk - > you simply can't tell > them anything they > > > don't already know - especially if you're young, display > the most subtle > > > confidence and carry certs. You know the type, hands in > pockets or on > the > > > belly like Al Bundy, bobbing up and down on their feet as > they sing > >through > > > the most shaky discourse on whatever (bullshit_factor = > HIGH), cutting > you > > > off repeatedly with "yeah, well I've always....." (notice > the "I've"). > >These > > > cats seem to do so many things half-ass backwards, work > in mental cubes > - > > > not communicating with the team all for the sake of face, pride or > perhaps > > > more appropriately, fear. Many old-timers in this > industry just can't > > > take smart youngsters, they resent them. I've seen this > alot and it's > >sad. > > > So, my point is that there are issues on both sides > newbies and oldies. > > > > > > This industry, it's professionals young and old, needs a > crash course in > > > business smarts, team-building and professionalism. > > > > > > > > > my thoughts-byron > > > > > > SOAPBOX=OFF > > > > > > (1) Nothing derogatory implied against my brick-laying > pals - used only > >for > > > specific example. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:09 PM > > > To: NT 2000 Discussions > > > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > > > > > > > So how about if you were an MCSE + Internet and you get > your MCSE in > 2000. > > > > > > Does that mean you show MCSE, which means it was a bit of > a waste of > time > > > doing the extra certs for the + Internet (especially IEAK 4.0) > > > Or do you keep MCSE + I, which seems to assume you have > only passed the > > > NT4.0 track. > > > > > > As a personal point, If you actually took the time to do > the certs for > > > either track, you should show it. 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