Now imagine that guy as your brain surgeon. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:12 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification
Most of the MCSEs I have come across are pretty knowledgeable. People I would hire any day. Although, we did hire one MCSE that did not know how to create a shortcut on the desktop... needless to say, he did not last to long... Jacob At 03:47 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Good thing MCSE's only work on computers. Imagine the MCSE equivalent of a >brain surgeon. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:22 PM >To: NT 2000 Discussions >Subject: Re: MCSE Certification > >I have to agree that there is a big void in "communication skills" between >the elders of the industry and the newbies! >It is a shame simply because so much can be learned in both directions. > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Byron Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "NT 2000 Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:59 PM >Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > > Just to beat this poor the a little more....... > > > > SOAPBOX=ON > > > > 1. having the certs and not advertising them in some form is all but > > senseless given the labor pool and HR pressures. However, i think there >is > > something to be said for having tact. I use them on my resume, and simply > > refer to them professionally if asked. I kinda like the inquisitive > > surprise more than the glamour. > > > > 2. These boot-camps should be banned, or Microsoft should require an > > apprentice period under tutelage with said professional, such as with the > > CE, CPA, etc. (also relates to issues in #3). I've met numbers of MCSEs > > billing $100 bucks an hour who had brick-laying (1) careers just 3 months > > before. I go, "what", while internally feeling sorry for the clients. > > > > 3. Just for a dissenting opinion regarding bright-eye'd cert gremlins vs. > > old-timer/computer geeks. While I've met a good number of "old-timer" > > computer geeks who i to this day admire passionately and go to for advise > > often, I've discovered many more, unfortunately enough, where i just walk > > away shaking my head saying "get a fu$%ing clue". While many often carry >a > > great wisdom regarding specific systems in the days of old, and can wow >you > > with assembly language talk - > you simply can't tell them anything they > > don't already know - especially if you're young, display the most subtle > > confidence and carry certs. You know the type, hands in pockets or on the > > belly like Al Bundy, bobbing up and down on their feet as they sing >through > > the most shaky discourse on whatever (bullshit_factor = HIGH), cutting you > > off repeatedly with "yeah, well I've always....." (notice the "I've"). >These > > cats seem to do so many things half-ass backwards, work in mental cubes - > > not communicating with the team all for the sake of face, pride or perhaps > > more appropriately, fear. Many old-timers in this industry just can't > > take smart youngsters, they resent them. I've seen this alot and it's >sad. > > So, my point is that there are issues on both sides newbies and oldies. > > > > This industry, it's professionals young and old, needs a crash course in > > business smarts, team-building and professionalism. > > > > > > my thoughts-byron > > > > SOAPBOX=OFF > > > > (1) Nothing derogatory implied against my brick-laying pals - used only >for > > specific example. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:09 PM > > To: NT 2000 Discussions > > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > > > > So how about if you were an MCSE + Internet and you get your MCSE in 2000. > > > > Does that mean you show MCSE, which means it was a bit of a waste of time > > doing the extra certs for the + Internet (especially IEAK 4.0) > > Or do you keep MCSE + I, which seems to assume you have only passed the > > NT4.0 track. > > > > As a personal point, If you actually took the time to do the certs for > > either track, you should show it. MCSE + I, MCSE 2000. > > > > ------ > > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > > > ------ > > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > > > >------ >You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > >------ >You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp >To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% ------ You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% ------ You are subscribed as [email protected] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
