I have to agree that there is a big void in "communication skills" between the elders of the industry and the newbies! It is a shame simply because so much can be learned in both directions.
David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT 2000 Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > Just to beat this poor the a little more....... > > SOAPBOX=ON > > 1. having the certs and not advertising them in some form is all but > senseless given the labor pool and HR pressures. However, i think there is > something to be said for having tact. I use them on my resume, and simply > refer to them professionally if asked. I kinda like the inquisitive > surprise more than the glamour. > > 2. These boot-camps should be banned, or Microsoft should require an > apprentice period under tutelage with said professional, such as with the > CE, CPA, etc. (also relates to issues in #3). I've met numbers of MCSEs > billing $100 bucks an hour who had brick-laying (1) careers just 3 months > before. I go, "what", while internally feeling sorry for the clients. > > 3. Just for a dissenting opinion regarding bright-eye'd cert gremlins vs. > old-timer/computer geeks. While I've met a good number of "old-timer" > computer geeks who i to this day admire passionately and go to for advise > often, I've discovered many more, unfortunately enough, where i just walk > away shaking my head saying "get a fu$%ing clue". While many often carry a > great wisdom regarding specific systems in the days of old, and can wow you > with assembly language talk - > you simply can't tell them anything they > don't already know - especially if you're young, display the most subtle > confidence and carry certs. You know the type, hands in pockets or on the > belly like Al Bundy, bobbing up and down on their feet as they sing through > the most shaky discourse on whatever (bullshit_factor = HIGH), cutting you > off repeatedly with "yeah, well I've always....." (notice the "I've"). These > cats seem to do so many things half-ass backwards, work in mental cubes - > not communicating with the team all for the sake of face, pride or perhaps > more appropriately, fear. Many old-timers in this industry just can't > take smart youngsters, they resent them. I've seen this alot and it's sad. > So, my point is that there are issues on both sides newbies and oldies. > > This industry, it's professionals young and old, needs a crash course in > business smarts, team-building and professionalism. > > > my thoughts-byron > > SOAPBOX=OFF > > (1) Nothing derogatory implied against my brick-laying pals - used only for > specific example. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:09 PM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > So how about if you were an MCSE + Internet and you get your MCSE in 2000. > > Does that mean you show MCSE, which means it was a bit of a waste of time > doing the extra certs for the + Internet (especially IEAK 4.0) > Or do you keep MCSE + I, which seems to assume you have only passed the > NT4.0 track. > > As a personal point, If you actually took the time to do the certs for > either track, you should show it. MCSE + I, MCSE 2000. > > ------ > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > ------ > You are subscribed as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > ------ You are subscribed as [email protected] Archives: http://www.swynk.com/sitesearch/search.asp To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
