Gah! This set off a content filter for profanity! Wonder what word it was . . .
James Winzenz, MCSE, A+ Associate Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: James Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:00 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification <Fake Advertisement> "Come to our Brain Surgeon Boot Camp and become qualified to perform brain surgery in only ONE Week! After attending our boot camp, we guarantee that you will be able to pass any state medical board exam!" "All yours for only $9,995 - all expenses included!" <End Fake Advertisement> <shudder> James Winzenz, MCSE, A+ Associate Systems Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Esgro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:48 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: RE: MCSE Certification Good thing MCSE's only work on computers. Imagine the MCSE equivalent of a brain surgeon. -----Original Message----- From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:22 PM To: NT 2000 Discussions Subject: Re: MCSE Certification I have to agree that there is a big void in "communication skills" between the elders of the industry and the newbies! It is a shame simply because so much can be learned in both directions. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT 2000 Discussions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > Just to beat this poor the a little more....... > > SOAPBOX=ON > > 1. having the certs and not advertising them in some form is all but > senseless given the labor pool and HR pressures. However, i think there is > something to be said for having tact. I use them on my resume, and > simply refer to them professionally if asked. I kinda like the > inquisitive surprise more than the glamour. > > 2. These boot-camps should be banned, or Microsoft should require an > apprentice period under tutelage with said professional, such as with > the CE, CPA, etc. (also relates to issues in #3). I've met numbers of > MCSEs billing $100 bucks an hour who had brick-laying (1) careers just > 3 months before. I go, "what", while internally feeling sorry for the > clients. > > 3. Just for a dissenting opinion regarding bright-eye'd cert gremlins > vs. old-timer/computer geeks. While I've met a good number of > "old-timer" computer geeks who i to this day admire passionately and > go to for advise often, I've discovered many more, unfortunately > enough, where i just walk away shaking my head saying "get a fu$%ing > clue". While many often carry a > great wisdom regarding specific systems in the days of old, and can > wow you > with assembly language talk - > you simply can't tell them anything > they don't already know - especially if you're young, display the most > subtle confidence and carry certs. You know the type, hands in pockets > or on the belly like Al Bundy, bobbing up and down on their feet as > they sing through > the most shaky discourse on whatever (bullshit_factor = HIGH), cutting > you off repeatedly with "yeah, well I've always....." (notice the > "I've"). These > cats seem to do so many things half-ass backwards, work in mental > cubes - not communicating with the team all for the sake of face, pride or perhaps > more appropriately, fear. Many old-timers in this industry just can't > take smart youngsters, they resent them. I've seen this alot and it's sad. > So, my point is that there are issues on both sides newbies and > oldies. > > This industry, it's professionals young and old, needs a crash course > in business smarts, team-building and professionalism. > > > my thoughts-byron > > SOAPBOX=OFF > > (1) Nothing derogatory implied against my brick-laying pals - used > only for > specific example. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 1:09 PM > To: NT 2000 Discussions > Subject: RE: MCSE Certification > > > So how about if you were an MCSE + Internet and you get your MCSE in > 2000. > > Does that mean you show MCSE, which means it was a bit of a waste of > time doing the extra certs for the + Internet (especially IEAK 4.0) Or > do you keep MCSE + I, which seems to assume you have only passed the > NT4.0 track. > > As a personal point, If you actually took the time to do the certs for > either track, you should show it. 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