On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:27:41 -0500, Salvatore Cimmino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello Arnt, > I am a bit (pleasantly) surprised that you answered. You still sound a > bit suspicious, but I can live with that if you keep an open mind. > I also think that we may have been on a different frequency, but we > can adjust if we are both willing. ..definetively. Whatever your intention was, you failed to sell yourself by coming across to me as conning, instead of upfront. Work on it. > If you didn't mean anything hostile by your previous message, then it > is I that owes you an apology. ..granted. > This part out of the way, allow me to repond to your points : see > below > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:19 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Ntop] Possible GPL infrigment!! > > <snip> > > >..if this was a "white lie", it backfired because I believed > >you spoke the truth when telling me about your list issues. > > > No, it was not a lie. I have been trying to subscribe for a while. I > even contacted Burton and Luca Deri. > When I get the mail with the confirmation request number, I send it > back but I get the following message :(most recent one) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet Mail Delivery > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Avis de remise : remise non effectuee > > > Ce rapport concerne un message que vous avez envoye avec les champs > d'en-tete > suivants : > > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <snip> > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.10 (built Jan 23 2003)) > with SMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:32:23 -0500 (EST) > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:32:07 -0500 > From: Salvatore Cimmino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Ntop -- confirmation of subscription -- request 601008 > In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <snip> > Votre message ne peut pas etre livre aux destinataires suivants : > > Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reason: Server rejected MAIL FROM address. > Diagnostic code: smtp;553 5.3.0 You are not allowed sending mail to > our > site. > <snip> > > This happened several times since December. I cannot spend much more > time on this. > > > > > >..there are perfectly honorable reasons not to post on the list, > >there may be technical issues, and there are the other reasons. > > > > I hope the above clears it, also I have no problems if this is > forwarded to the list. ..excellent. Luca and Bruce, who do we scalp and scold for locking Salvatore out of the list? Salvatore's isp for spamming? The list manager? Some clueless postmaster? > > >..since this discussion started in January, questionning a > >_possible_ GPL infringement relevant, I found, and, _still_ find, > >the Ntop developers a relevant party to the discussion, since > >each one of these, _owns_ Ntop, simply because they write it. > > > >..I still don't see any "bad karma" in my end of this > >discussion, but then I may be blind. > > > Again, if there was no intent, I apologize. > ..granted. > > > > > >..Salvatore, list, _was_ there an infringement? > > > Absolutely not ! We do NOT use nTop anywhere at the moment. We are > still trying to find the right opportunity for it, but, as I tried to > explain in my first message, it is not a piece of software that > dictates the approach to System Management, but the reverse. First, ..hear, hear, people drops into that trap all the time. ;-) > needs have to be assessed, procedures to be devised, then, and only > then, tools can be identified. I have written most of the code we > needed to do the job. What Luca has developed (which is out of my > league), I have a gut feeling that it has a lot of value for many > organizations, however if customers have difficulty to find value in > the need to monitor their infrastructure we are not going very far, > are we ? It may be that they are not ready for it and in time they > will realize the benefits of an harmonized approach to Systems > Management. It could be that I am wrong in trying to push it, but in > that case, the whole nTop list, the people that make stuff like HP > OpenView, TNG, BMC Patrol, etc... they are all wrong. > > I don't think so. We have customers that are happy with our formula > for Management System Provider. Thank God for them. ..heh, I thank Microsoft for my business, my clients pays me good money for "Help me get rid of that _shit_!!!", and winds up "Wow, it really does this shit too!". _Delivery_. ;-) > But we are not sitting still and always on the lookout for a better > way to deliver the service. > If we are going to use nTop commercially, Luca will be notified, I > promise. But that's only my word, proof will forcibly have to wait. > > Thx > > Sal -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. _______________________________________________ Ntop mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listgateway.unipi.it/mailman/listinfo/ntop
