I dont think anyone is "surprised" per se , just seems like folks just want to make it more pronounced
-just my thought Jean-Paul Natola From: [email protected] Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:37:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly To: [email protected] The government continues to do what it wants in the name of protections that only benefit it. I'm surprised that anyone is surprised. (Okay, mildly amused) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:34 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote: resistance is futile you will assimilate Jean-Paul Natola From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:27:38 -0400 Think of the USG as more Borg like and less human. They can and do get away with a lot and I am sure even more than most of us are even thinking is possible. Jon From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 02:19:49 +0000 But we’re not talking about small or even medium sized businesses here. Google and Microsoft are behemoths, who would stand to lose billions of dollars a year in revenue (plus what they’ve staked as their future business model – cloud computing) if they were found out to be lying about this. I can imagine they would push back very hard on this type of thing, and I’m sure they have very effective lobbying/regulator relationship teams. Every single one of their current and future business customers would leave. Plus they’d be sued out of existence by their shareholders (maybe not in the US, but I could see overseas shareholders doing so). It’s one thing to comply with a draconian government law. It’s another thing to lie to your owners about it. Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jon Harris Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 11:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Have you ever been in the cross hairs of the USG? They don't take being told "no" very well and this is from a former US state worker. I have seen a state agency ask "nicely" and when met with resistance they become very Borg like. Jon From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:39:59 +0000 Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true (both due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be inclined to think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials. Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to know (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how you could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time. Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly That's my operating theory. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to be done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). Jon > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through > a PRISM darkly > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000 > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I seriously > wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a > PRISM darkly > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > Kurt > >
