I think that has now happened and it is just a matter of time before it gets confirmed. Then it is enter the lawyers and the class action lawsuits. I never saw a lawyer that would turn down a chance to make money and even if the law says you can't win they, the lawyers suing the companies, will still make money and cost the companies being sued both business and money just to get a judge (another form of lawyer) to say you gave them too much and still lose. Jon From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 02:47:02 +0000
Over time though more and more people will know (as employees come and go). People in the legal/compliance departments will now (they’ll be the ones served with the orders). Some technical people will know (there’s still physical links and virtual circuits that are needed to pipe this data somewhere). There’s hooks into the services that need to be created to suck the data out in the first place. Monitoring tools will see part of this – that needs to be hidden or explained away somehow. Eventually one or more people, either deliberately (because they have a grudge or philosophical issue), or mistakenly (through human error), are going to leak what’s going on. Cheers Ken -- http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer Typed on a Lenovo Helix – apologies for brevity From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 12:40 PM To: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Apparently, any covering up failed here. Actually, in a small org, you can do this easily by informing only a few people. In a large org, you can do this easily by informing a lot of people, but not giving them enough details about what the project is really about. (You can also use a small number of people, as is done for pet projects and special initiatives) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true (both due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be inclined to think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials. Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to know (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how you could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time. Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly That's my operating theory. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to be done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). Jon > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through > a PRISM darkly > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000 > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I seriously > wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a > PRISM darkly > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > Kurt > >
