No I bring up those companies as examples.  The government will just
indemnify the companies involved in PRISM against any possible damages.

On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Ken Schaefer wrote:

>  Sorry – I’m confused here. Has someone posted a link to Verizon denying
> the allegations posted a couple of days ago?****
>
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>
> TBH, I’m sure some organisations will be reconsidering their use of
> Verizon services. Or at least doing a risk analysis. Maybe looking to move
> to VOIP based services. ****
>
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>
> OTTOMH I’d be more concerned about data (e.g. contents of email, files
> etc.) than metadata, but that’s just a matter of degree.****
>
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>
> Cheers****
>
> Ken****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> '[email protected]');> 
> [mailto:[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
> '[email protected]');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Link
> *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 12:29 PM
> *To:* [email protected] <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
> '[email protected]');>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or,
> through a PRISM darkly****
>
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>
> AT&T and Verizon are small businesses?  Have consumers and businesses left
> them?****
>
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>
> Who are you going to turn to if these entities are proved to be lying?****
>
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> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:****
>
>  But we’re not talking about small or even medium sized businesses here. *
> ***
>
>  ****
>
> Google and Microsoft are behemoths, who would stand to lose billions of
> dollars a year in revenue (plus what they’ve staked as their future
> business model – cloud computing) if they were found out to be lying about
> this. I can imagine they would push back very hard on this type of thing,
> and I’m sure they have very effective lobbying/regulator relationship teams.
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> Every single one of their current and future business customers would
> leave. Plus they’d be sued out of existence by their shareholders (maybe
> not in the US, but I could see overseas shareholders doing so). It’s one
> thing to comply with a draconian government law. It’s another thing to lie
> to your owners about it.****
>
>  ****
>
> Cheers****
>
> Ken****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jon Harris
> *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 11:58 AM****
>
>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or,
> through a PRISM darkly****
>
>  ****
>
> Have you ever been in the cross hairs of the USG?  They don't take being
> told "no" very well and this is from a former US state worker.  I have seen
> a state agency ask "nicely" and when met with resistance they become very
> Borg like.
>
> Jon
>  ****
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