I believe a "smaller" organization can fight "Big Brother" easier, because they 
have fewer users than the FB, MS, Apple, Google, etc.... If the little guy had 
information government wanted, they would feel the full force of "Big Brother."


mma

On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:01 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote:

> So would I, but at least he's not a complete rollover like so many others.
> 
> See also:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio
> 
> I suspect the large orgs are such pushovers because of Mr. Nacchio's
> treatment...
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Ashdown, 46, assented just once, on his lawyer's advice, to a 2010 FBI 
>>>> request backed by a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance 
>>>> Court.
>> 
>> IOW, if there's any sort of a warrant attached to the request, he's going to 
>> cough up info (or be advised by his legal counsel to cough up info) just 
>> like anyone else.
>> 
>> I'd like to hear about some organization willing to stand up against flimsy 
>> (but "valid") warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ASB
>> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>> Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for 
>> the SMB market…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> This is why I am down on using the Cloud in it's current form and
>>>>>> function.
>>>> 
>>>> Your data is no safer on-premise because...
>>>> 
>>>> -- No one encrypts 100% of the data leaving and entering their facilities
>>>> -- The telcos are also in that group of organizations you mentioned, and
>>>> they provide all inbound/outbound connectivity
>>>> -- The on-premise apps from the aforementioned vendors may have all sorts
>>>> of backdoors
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think that folks are seriously underestimating the clout of any business
>>>> (or even a team of businesses) to push back successfully on the NSA in
>>>> matters that ostensibly relate to "national security"
>>>> 
>>>> The people who have the real power (we, the people), have thus far failed
>>>> to exercise it, and will shortly find themselves (er.. like *now*), in the
>>>> place where they are totally beholden to the government, because they have
>>>> allowed the government to get to the place where it sets its own agenda.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes, if you're small enough, you can resist successfully:
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/09/xmission-isp-customers-privacy-nsa
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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