Hmm – this sounds like RAID (and thus DR) rather than backup? Or do you get 
versioning at the remote host as well?

Cheers
Ken

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013 11:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: Veeam or Altaro?

After the initial seeding Veeam et al (my experience is with a product called 
Zerto) are writing to a vdk at the destination. The piece running on the host 
is hooked into the file system. File writes (includes deletion) are mirrored to 
the remote vdk. There's nothing to restore. Think of it as RAID 1 for servers 
with a manual failover. The solution does require control over DNS and/or BGP 
to handle the address change.
There are some other details but that's the 10,000 foot view.


On Aug 9, 2013, at 5:20, "Ken Schaefer" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
Haven’t you for more data to restore, which increases the restore time?

That said, if you’re not using the “offsite storage” option, was does this give 
you over Windows Server backup?

Cheers
Ken

From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Chenault
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013 10:18 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] RE: Veeam or Altaro?

All use of resources is done with the idea that it is a trade-off. In this case 
there is, as Brian noted, lots of cycles and storage to store full images ala 
the subject line products. In this case the payoff in resource usage is the 
ability to spin that vm up on a moment's notice without a potentially lengthy 
restore process. The advantage bought by spending the resources is time.

On Aug 8, 2013, at 12:59, "Brian Desmond" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Seems to me like a lot of storage and cycles for something that might have very 
little value if you have the ability to simply redeploy the app and restore the 
data.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre-Marie Camilleri
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:37 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: Veeam or Altaro?

Why? Is there anything wrong in backing up whole VMs?

Thanks
Pierre


From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: 08 August 2013 04:04
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [NTSysADM] RE: Veeam or Altaro?

Why are you backing up whole VMs versus just protecting specific data?

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

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From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pierre-Marie Camilleri
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 3:25 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [NTSysADM] Veeam or Altaro?

Hi all

Is anyone using Veeam or Altaro for performing backups and restores  of VMs? 
Would appreciate any feedback, good and bad regarding these products.

Thanks
Pierre

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