I hate what you are saying, because what happened with toxic is that Autodesk ended up shipping a crippled product because it doesn't want to cannibalize its Flame sales. I would hate it for the Foundry to go that route.
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Ned Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Or, perhaps the Foundry could re-focus their efforts on a new target: > Autodesk. > I know that at this point it is rarely used in feature film production, but > in commercial finishing, Flame is still the top dog. > A license of Flame Premium will run you $129k, PLUS the cost of hardware, > putting the total price tag at around $180 grand, and that doesn't even > include the cost of the bay, or optional extras like HDCAM SR decks. > So, what if the Foundry releases a new product, let's call it H-Bomb, and it > puts this in the market space to compete with Flame, which has no > competition at all. Let's say that the Foundry prices the license at 50 > grand, a huge savings over Flame, to encourage adoption. This will be a high > end and potentially lucrative market, and will help cover R&D costs for > compositing packages in general. This way The Foundry can offer Nuke at a > lower cost ( like Autodesk has done with Combustion in the past, and now > Toxik/Composite ), and just have it missing some of the features of H-Bomb > so as not to cannibalize the high-end market. > > On Apr 15, 2011, at 10:35 AM, Randy Little wrote: > > I think the issue is more that HUGE VC company owns The foundry now. HUGE > VC companies expect growth because VC money is put in by people expecting > big returns. VS small company that needs less profits to remain viable. > > VFX profits falling so soon if trend continues only people that can afford > nuke are big companies. Maya cost less then nuke. think about that. > > Houdini cost the same as nuke. I find it super hard to believe that the > cost to produce Nuke is the same as the cost to produce Houdini. But we > have no choice really in the market so we have to pay. > > > Randy S. Little > http://www.rslittle.com > > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:02, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, on the upside, you can always decide to stop paying the >> maintenance and live without the upgrades (not that I'm encouraging >> this). Specially after the 6.3 upgrades, even if you don't update for >> years you will have the most complete feature set in the history of >> compositing. Consider this: Shake continued to be used successfully in >> production a full 6-10 years after it was discontinued, and it was >> obviously a much more primitive software package. However, I don't own >> personal copies of Nuke though, and I'm always glad to be able to use >> the latest and greatest from The Foundry at work, and I think that the >> maintenance price is a good investment for companies because of the >> upgrades and excellent support. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Nathan Rusch <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Very true. Nothing in Nuke is “magic,” and nothing in Nuke is unheard of >> > in >> > other packages. It’s the particular way the tools and elements are >> > brought >> > together that makes it appealing, not some secret formula that makes >> > your >> > images come out better. But that doesn’t mean Nuke is the final word, or >> > anything near it. For example, if 6.3’s particle system is 1/4 what >> > Fusion’s >> > was 6+ years ago, I’ll consider it a great addition. >> > >> > You can do A+B*(1-a) just as easily in Fusion as you can in Nuke... you >> > just >> > might not be as used to it. >> > >> > Oh, and you can RAM-cache your ops. :P >> > >> > -Nathan >> > >> > >> > From: Randy Little >> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:26 PM >> > To: Nuke user discussion >> > Subject: Re: [Nuke-users] The Foundry is raising the maintance >> > price...!!! >> > >> > yet some how many things are comped in other packages. One package >> > is >> > bad for everyone. I would rather comp in Nuke then Fusion but fusion >> > does >> > some cool stuff that nuke should. >> > >> > For that matter Toxik does some cool stuff that nuke should. Both >> > Fusion and Toxik kill Nuke in paint and roto. I added 20 paint strokes >> > to >> > a comp today and it added a crazy amount of time to render farm times. >> > CRAZY. >> > >> > One of anything is bad. Regardless of what it is. >> > >> > Randy S. Little >> > http://reel.rslittle.com >> > http://imdb.com/name/nm2325729/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 19:52, Feli <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Looks like it's time for my yearly post: >> >> >> >> >> >> I would get out of this business before I got stuck comping a show in >> >> Fusion or anything other than Nuke. >> >> >> >> Been there, done that and never want to repeat that experience again. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Feli >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> [email protected] 2 + 2 = >> >> 4 www.elanphotos.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Nuke-users mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Nuke-users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Nuke-users mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Nuke-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > _______________________________________________ Nuke-users mailing list [email protected] http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
