Hi Stewart.

> I do not know whether we need IP, MPLS or both in this case,
> and unfortunately I am not sure how we get firm objective
> evidence. However we need to be careful that on the one
> hand the charter does not preempt an objective decision, and
> on the other hand does not create a mechanism whereby the
> WG spends a lot of time on technology to support minority
> deployments.

I am very much concerned about this. I know that this point is not
shared by all, but for the DC folk I've talked to (and there are
others I've talked to that say *exactly* the same thing), MPLS/BGP is
simply a non-starter.

I know that me saying that won't convince those that disagree with
this premise. 

One of initial deliverables of the WG is to do requirements gathering
and a gap analysis. We will have the above conversation then for sure.

But I am also worried that the voices of vendors could easily drown
out the voices of operators. The IETF gets little enough direct
particpation from operators as it is.

> The specific problem is with the ambiguity of the word
> "or" since  it may bind us to doing both even if the
> evidence supports the need for only one (of type currently
> unknown), or it may force us to choose when the market
> is split and we need to support both.

> My hope was that "layer 3" could be taken to include
> IP and MPLS in such a way as to allow us to make a
> more considered decision of {IP, MPLS, IP and MPLS}
> when we have more evidence.

IMO, saying L3 is enough. 

Thomas

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