On 19/04/2012 00:24, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Hi Thomas,

But I am also worried that the voices of vendors could easily drown
out the voices of operators.

IMO, saying L3 is enough.

As an operator I 100% agree with above two statements ! Very well observed.

Operator's focus is to find best ways to realize new and unique services for their customers. Most vendors above all seek ways to protect their portfolio and their margins.

Clearly this list and recent ONS summit (http://opennetsummit.org/) has proven that those interests are unfortunately very often non-intersecting.

Rgs,
R.
Robert

I think that there are several types of operator and I am concerned that they have different perspectives, different business imperatives and different methods of influencing the IETF.

a) Large existing DC operators - Google, Yahoo, Amazon etc
b) Communications providers that would like to get into the DC business
c) Enterprises that already have large server farms that need to scale them using new DC technologies
d) New entrants to the DC business

Some of these send staff to the IETF, some of these only have contact with the IETF through their vendors. In some cases the vendor is influencing the customer, in some cases the customer is influencing the vendor.

We obviously need to listen to the operator community in the IETF, but we need to recognize that operators who come to IETF may not provide a complete and neutral representation of the requirements, and vendor may be pushing their own views or may be correctly representing the needs of their customers.

- Stewart
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