John Twemlow,

Groups are defined by average speed.  This average cannot be determined
until near the mid way point of the ride with any degree of reliability.
You certainly can not determine average speed 2 kms away from Billings
Bridge on a 60+ km ride.  I think you might have mixed up "average speed"
with "actual speed" at any given moment.  But, none of this matters.  If you
find that you are often being dropped from a group then maybe you should
ride with a slower group.  I do agree that sometimes that first hill on
Riverside is very hard for us vertically challenged (out of shape) people.  

Maybe you should lead a group and maintain the speed you want.  I am sure
your help would be welcomed.  


Ross D. Knight



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> I agree with Manny's comment of  "putting the 'group' back into 'group
> rides'". 
> Frommy experience over the past year, "group" tends to be dropped from
> "group 
> rides".  I've had far too many Sunday Rides quickly turn into solo rides,
> often on that 
> first climb on Riverside Dr.  On the occasion they do wait, but only then
> to proceed 
> above what should be the speed limit for the group. 
> 
> That's my $0.02. 
> 
> John Twemlow 
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