Perhaps Avery can wonder why people are resisting being members rather
than snapping at people offering reasonable suggestions.

Remote starts are a change. The city is changing, suburban sprawl is going
south, the South Keys Mall is possibly better positioned from a public
transport point of view (bus in from Kanata!) and not everyone wants to
start at 9 am. A lot of complaints about the OBC comes from people who
feel unwelcome, and such stiffness does nothing to allay such concerns.


On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Tom Trottier wrote:

> Dear Avery,
>
> I just haven't paid my fee this year yet - like some other tardy
> people.  Why have you stooped to ad hominem arguments? No reply to
> the idea proposed? How about using some remote starts at rack'n'roll
> termini so we can appeal to students and other non-motorised people?
> Maybe the OBC should be appealing to more non-members so as to make
> them members! Or are new ideas just unwelcome?
>
> Tom
>
> On Monday, April 08, 2002 at 18:37, Avery Burdett
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote re "RE: [obc] Day tour starting place suggestions." saying:
>
> > We would appreciate it if when posting you would identify yourself.
> >
> > Also, exchanges and suggestions are taken more seriously when made by
> > fee paying, participating members of the OBC. Neither you nor the
> > originator of the thread are.
> >
> > Since less than a handful of us know who is and who is not a member, I
> > think it would be a simple courtesy to OBC members for all non-members
> > to identify themselves as such when posting.
> >
> > Avery Burdett
> > President
> >
> > "Membership has a price and yields its privileges"
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This is an idea worth pondering. Although, in many ways Billings Bridge
> > > has is advantages and is somewhat traditional this may be an idea worth
> > > pursuing. Just 10 -15 years ago Billings Bridge while being central in
> > > terms of east to west was actually closer to the outskirts of the south
> > > end of town. Now it is becoming more centralized. This does have greater
> > > impact on those riders who cover shorter distances and will end up
> > > spending more time in built up areas as a result.
> > >
> > > Perhaps on some Sunday Rides it might be something to discuss amongst
> > > the slower riders since they may benefit from it by have a greater
> > > choice of riding locations and covering less distance.
> > >
> > > Good Idea and worth further discussion.
> > > >
> > > > From: Tom Trottier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 2002/04/02 Tue PM 04:38:10 EST
> > > > To: oBC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: [obc] Day tour starting place suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to renew my suggestion of new day tour starting places at
> > > > various rack'n'roll OC Transpo route (2, 95, 97, O-train) ends, e.g.:
> > > >   - Bayview O train station,  also on 95 & 97 routes.
> > > >   - South Keys O train station. also on 97 route.
> > > >   - Kanata Town Centre (West terminus of 97)
> > > >   - Blair bus terminus (West terminus of 2, also served by 95)
> > > >   - Place d'Orleans bus terminus (East terminus of 95)
> > > >   - Fallowfield bus terminus (South terminus of 95)
> > > >
> > > > The O train takes 4 or so bikes per car. Each bus can only take 2
> > > > bikes, so transit users would have to plan ahead. 95 and 97 routes do
> > > > run very often though, as often as every 3 minutes. Most of these
> > > > locations do have restaurants nearby to make it easier to arrive
> > > > early & wait. They all have parking nearby.
> > > >
> > > > They are further into the country, so less urban pedalling is
> > > > necessary, especially for tours East or West.
> > > > Being on the transit line, they may gain new members for the club, or
> > > > just make it easier for some existing members who would otherwise
> > > > have to pedal an extra 20k or more at the start and end of each tour.
> > > > They would also provide more variety if several were used instead of
> > > > always using Billings Bridge. Billings Bridge is on the 97 route.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
>
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