--- "David E. Jones (JIRA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [ > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-510?page=comments#action_12459141 > ] > > David E. Jones commented on OFBIZ-510: > -------------------------------------- > > Jacopo: I don't think you have anything to apologize > for in that comment. In my opinion it was right on. > The comments on this issue have strayed far away > from the main point.
I would have to strongly disagree. The only comments that stray from a discussion about how to refactor the anonymous checkout are yours (David) and Jocopo's. > The comments and feedback from > Chris should certainly be considered as we move > forward with this, but his language is clearly too > strong. In other words, while his opinion is > respected, that's all it is. As you say Jacopo, it > is the committers responsibility to review and deal > with this as it has always been and Chris, in my > opinion, definitely crossed the line in terms of > representing the influence he has on this issue. > This is typical, David. One day you speculate that an effort will fail because the community has seemed to lack the resources to carry on similar endeavors in the past and the next day you minimalize the efforts that you complained were lacking. > In other words, I'm totally for reading and > respecting what Chris Howe has to say, but if he > does so in an inflammatory or confrontational way, > we don't have to and generally shouldn't respond. Please consult a dictionary. The only diatribe, inflammatory or confrontational comments have come from you (David) and Jocopo as they have been the only ad hominem arguments. > Chris definitely needs to research more of what is > going on in OFBiz and participate with more of a > spirit of contribution and cooperation. This isn't > the first time it has come up, and probably won't be > the last. > > For anyone who hasn't read it yet, search for > "apache troll" on google and you'll get some helpful > information on the apache.org site about this. > > Chris: this message may be about you, but my > intention is not to direct it to you. I know in > advance you'll be offended by this because you have > in the distant and recent past, and you may respond > however you wish, I really have no intention of > answering any criticism from you. These sorts of > discussions are a waste of time, effort, and > community good will and only serve to confuse and > alienate people. My intent here is to let other > people know that this can easily stop and there is > an easy way to do it. I would really appreciate it > if you could also make an effort to contribute in > this way and avoid the troll patterns, don't make > things so personal, and if you want to get involved > then do it in terms of action and constructive, > cooperative discussion. Have you read the pages that you advise others to read? The only comments that are insulting and off topic with the intent to provoke a response have been yours. This is a portion of the off list message I sent to Jocopo and I feel fully describes the spirit of most of my contributions in code, tutorial and disucssion. Like you, I run a business that relies heavily on the OFBIZ project. Unlike you, I do not have the privilege of changing the community code to suit my deployment. You have certainly earned that privilege. I respect that and am not trying to take that away from you. However, please understand that when someone, like myself, who does not have those privileges comes across an inflexible part of OFBiz and we have to come up with a solution, we have to maintain that solution all by our lonesome. So when someone offers a patch that will break other's deployments, I'm going to plead with them to find another solution. The more time people in the community have to spend maintaining their own solution, the less time they have to contribute to SVN and reviewing patches.
