Hey, Chris - let's just leave this at this (and please let's not
dissect this email as well).
We're about to submit a patch that allows both the old system (6 step
process) and the new system (3 step process with a Dojo-based payment
process) working, so that people have options. It was NEVER our
intention to break anyone's code, just give them a system that would
be able to fix the age-old problem of people being too scared to
effectively customize the shopping cart process. Now they'll have
two refactored processes to start with - and they can feel empowered.
If you have another option to put forth, that doesn't use Ajax that
can work nicely, please submit this as another anonymous checkout
process patch. I personally would love to see it and have something
like this in our repertoire as we go forward.
Let's keep the smack talking to a minimum and do the best that we can
to be tactful in supplying feedback for people. There are a lot of
different personalities as well as cultures that are present in this
project, and at times some people cross lines, often without knowing
it. Please just take a little extra time, especially once someone
has called you out for it more than once, to ensure that your point
is articulated in as respectful a manner as possible.
I'm sure that everyone can feel me when I say that one of the great
things about this community, as opposed to many of the other open
source projects I've been apart of, is the lack of dialogues that go
this way. Let's do our best to keep it that way.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6594
On Dec 17, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Chris Howe wrote:
--- "David E. Jones (JIRA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-510?
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David E. Jones commented on OFBIZ-510:
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Jacopo: I don't think you have anything to apologize
for in that comment. In my opinion it was right on.
The comments on this issue have strayed far away
from the main point.
I would have to strongly disagree. The only comments
that stray from a discussion about how to refactor the
anonymous checkout are yours (David) and Jocopo's.
The comments and feedback from
Chris should certainly be considered as we move
forward with this, but his language is clearly too
strong. In other words, while his opinion is
respected, that's all it is. As you say Jacopo, it
is the committers responsibility to review and deal
with this as it has always been and Chris, in my
opinion, definitely crossed the line in terms of
representing the influence he has on this issue.
This is typical, David. One day you speculate that an
effort will fail because the community has seemed to
lack the resources to carry on similar endeavors in
the past and the next day you minimalize the efforts
that you complained were lacking.
In other words, I'm totally for reading and
respecting what Chris Howe has to say, but if he
does so in an inflammatory or confrontational way,
we don't have to and generally shouldn't respond.
Please consult a dictionary. The only diatribe,
inflammatory or confrontational comments have come
from you (David) and Jocopo as they have been the only
ad hominem arguments.
Chris definitely needs to research more of what is
going on in OFBiz and participate with more of a
spirit of contribution and cooperation. This isn't
the first time it has come up, and probably won't be
the last.
For anyone who hasn't read it yet, search for
"apache troll" on google and you'll get some helpful
information on the apache.org site about this.
Chris: this message may be about you, but my
intention is not to direct it to you. I know in
advance you'll be offended by this because you have
in the distant and recent past, and you may respond
however you wish, I really have no intention of
answering any criticism from you. These sorts of
discussions are a waste of time, effort, and
community good will and only serve to confuse and
alienate people. My intent here is to let other
people know that this can easily stop and there is
an easy way to do it. I would really appreciate it
if you could also make an effort to contribute in
this way and avoid the troll patterns, don't make
things so personal, and if you want to get involved
then do it in terms of action and constructive,
cooperative discussion.
Have you read the pages that you advise others to
read? The only comments that are insulting and off
topic with the intent to provoke a response have been
yours.
This is a portion of the off list message I sent to
Jocopo and I feel fully describes the spirit of most
of my contributions in code, tutorial and disucssion.
Like you, I run a business that relies heavily
on the OFBIZ project. Unlike you, I do not have the
privilege of changing the community code to suit my
deployment. You have certainly earned that privilege.
I respect that and am not trying to take that away
from you. However, please understand that when
someone, like myself, who does not have those
privileges comes across an inflexible part of OFBiz
and we have to come up with a solution, we have to
maintain that solution all by our lonesome. So when
someone offers a patch that will break other's
deployments, I'm going to plead with them to find
another solution. The more time people in the
community have to spend maintaining their own
solution, the less time they have to contribute to SVN
and reviewing patches.
