Darren.Reed at Sun.COM wrote: > It's inline with what I expected which is why in the original > email I cc'd the OGB because unless they have delegated > control over this to the advocacy forum, advocacy-discuss > has no authority to make any decisions. Point here being > that there is no "advocacy community", heck there isn't > even an "opensolaris" community for "opensolaris-discuss" > to belong to, for there to be any leaders within so we have > to fall back to the OGB.
There is an Advocacy Community Group. It's currently hidden and will be opened shortly. It's being formed from the merger of the Marketing Community, the Immigrants, Community, and the User Group Community. Since the merger of the three communities will take some time, we've decided to open in stages and we started with this list -- which has about 350 people from Marketing, Immigrants, and User Groups. Below are the related discussion threads: Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs -- 4/3/2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=27547&tstart=0 Re: [osol-mktg] Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs -- 4/5/07 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=27700&tstart=0 [osol-mktg] Community Consolidation -- Marketing & UGs -- 4/6/07 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=27807&tstart=0 [ogb-discuss] OGB/2007/002 Community and Project Reorg -- 4/25/07 http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-April/000359.html Advocates (Advocacy) Community Group -- 4/26/07 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=29345&tstart=0 [ogb-discuss] Advocacy Community Proposal -- 4/30/07 http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-April/000432.html [ogb-discuss] OpenSolaris Governing Board Meeting 6/6/07 -- 6/14/07 http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/ogb-discuss/2007-June/000921.html Advocacy Merger -- Step One: List -- 6/14/07 http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=32906&tstart=0 advocacy-discuss list is live -- 6/17/07 http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=33134&tstart=0 If you don't feel that the Advocacy CG is a real community until it's actually open, that's fine. Please feel free to take your discussion to opensolaris-discuss. Once it's there, we'll suggest that you take it to the Marketing Community, which is open. But the opensolaris-mktg list no longer exists and has been merged into advocacy-discuss. Either way, it's not an OGB issue. > There have been lots of ideas and rationales about what is > good or bad, and when someone said "shark" (specifically > those that eat pengiuns), my thoughts turned to "killer whale", > also known as the "orca" - but I digress. > > What's needed next isn't more +1's or text but graphics. Actually, we do need text. And ideally, the text should come first. You can't separate text from graphics, or at the very least they go together. A graphic expresses the essence of an idea articulated in text, and the text supports the graphic. I offered some text suggestions earlier in this thread, and I'd welcome your feedback. Also, I've worked with many graphic designers, illustrators, photographers, and editors over the years, and I've never met one who would produce a piece of art without knowing the issue and seeing it written in text or at least talking to the writer. > What we need are some people to get together with some > ideas for a mascot/logo and create graphics. Based on what message? And do you have consensus for those ideas? And is any of this expressed in text? What is the culture of the community you are trying to capture in a piece of art (logo or mascot)? Is it the user community? The kernel community? A partner community? A customer community? Have you considered all the legal and trademark issues? The cultural issues? > This requires > talent of a different kind than with what is usually associated > with open source projects. In the interest of achieving > good results here, it may be required to offer some sort of > consideration in return for the work performed - that again > is outside the bounds of what this mailing list can do and > must go back to the OGB. Are you talking about engaging a professional illustrator or designer? The OGB has no budget to do this, and the pros are not cheap. Sun would have to pay for this work, and that would have to come from OpenSolaris Engineering or OpenSolaris Marketing. Most likely from marketing. And you will find those people right here on this list. Also, if you want to hire a pro, what would your instructions to the illustrator be? Do you have some illustrators in mind that we could contact? Can you post some links to their work? > Additionally, to ensure the effort is bounded, we need to > set out an end date, such as the 31st of August, 2007 (or > even longer.) I don't support the creation of a deadline when we haven't even had the conversation, and no one can even express the message we are trying to illustrate. > Of course if you know someone who has the > required talent and can churn this out in a week or two, > great, but I think that's a bit too unrealistic, same as > expecting to find the solution in email. Of course, artists and illustrators don't churn stuff out. And we are not trying to find a final solution in email. We are simply exploring the issue in an open discussion. That's absolutely realistic and it's absolutely the correct thing to do. > As a proof of concept for a mascot, I'm guessing it would > be useful to have the symbol/character/whatever portrayed > in two different scenarios/themes. Pick one. A symbol? A character? Or whatever? And what two different scenarios and what two themes are you talking about? And just two? What about the drafts before final production? Jim -- Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris
