I totally agree. The OGB needs to make a stand on this. Either we get answers 
from Oracle or the OGB needs to separate the OpenSolaris Community from Oracle 
and be truly autonomous. That means we get the development of OpenSolaris 
completely out in the open and let the community run it, not Oracle. While I 
would like to believe that Oracle is just unsure of how to handle the 
OpenSolaris community, they've had plenty of time to think these things over 
before the acquisition completed. It's not like Oracle wasn't already calling 
the shots beforehand inside Sun anyways.

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----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Rockwood <b...@cuddletech.com>
To: ogb-discuss@opensolaris.org
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 11:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: [ogb-discuss] Call for Action

On 4/12/10 7:57 PM, Rich Teer wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>
>  
>> On 04/12/10 06:30 PM, Ben Rockwood wrote:
>>    
>>> However, the OpenSolaris distribution ("Indiana") is reasonably within
>>> the jurisdiction of the board.  The 6 month development cycle as set
>>> down by Ian Murdock has always been questionable, however there has been
>>> no reasonable communication to the community with regards to the delays
>>> in 2010.03.
>>>    
>>>      
>> Why do you think the OGB has any control or jurisdiction over the OpenSolaris
>> distribution?  When did Sun or Oracle hand over those reins?
>>    
> For "jurisdiction" read "scope".  As the communities elected representatives
> (and our official conduit to/from Oracle), I don't think Ben's request is
> unreasonable.
>  

Thank you.  Rich understands.

Everyone is correct, as I stated, Oracle's not talking and I'm not
expecting that to change because of anything we do.  Lord knows I've
tried as best I can and Peter Trimble has helped.  We made no headway.

However, Indiana is a CG.  Distro is a CG.  ON is a CG.  All the groups
responsable for the OpenSolaris distribution are CG's right here.  The
board oversee's CG's.  Therefore, it seems only natural that the OGB has
jurisdiction in this matter. 

The OGB may not be able to request details from Oracle (lets face it,
the OGB Facilitator to Sun has never been useful) but the board can
request details from its own CG's. 

The message I hear is that the OGB doesn't have control over its own
CG's.  Or, alternatively, that Sun CG's don't produce anything.  Do we
really believe that?  Do we want to believe that?


benr.

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