To clarify: I an *not* pushing for WotC to give up the license - I think
that is unrealistic (read *NEVER*) that they would ever give up control. I
am protesting the fact that the intentionally misleading notion of
"independence from WotC" is being so blatantly advanced.
A lie is a lie. (I guess I'm not such a good Democrat.)
Faust
>From: "Faustus von Goethe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Open_Gaming] Final Text of Approved Open Gaming License
>Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:57:10 GMT
>
>>From: Christopher L Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>"Ryan S. Dancey" wrote:
>>
>> > The following text is the property of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. and is
>> > Copyright 2000 Wizards of the Coast, Inc ("Wizards"). All Rights
>>Reserved.
>> > No permission is granted to reprint or redistribute this text in any
>>media
>> > without the prior written consent of the Copyright Holder.
>>
>>...
>>
>> > 10 Copy of this License: You MUST include a copy of this License with
>>every
>> > copy of the Open Game Content You Distribute.
>>
>>So what does that first bit preclude?
>
>It means that the license couldn't be initially released and CAN'T be
>modified without Wizards managing and overseeing that change. It means
>that
>Ryan Dancey is acting as WotC's "designated agent" when he is working on
>the
>License.
>
>The license is the sum total of the IP that makes up the Foundation - it is
>the REASON for the Foundations existence, and WotC, (not Ryan Dancey) owns
>it.
>
>And Mr. Dancey has no legal claim to it.
>
>>"Faustus von Goethe" wrote:
>>
>> > The Open Gaming Foundation is a private organization,
>> > and it not managed by or overseen by Wizards of the Coast or
>> > any other game publisher.
>> >
>> >I have contacted Mr. Dancey about this privately & he refused to change
>>it -
>> >insisting it is technically true. This is why I am no longer actively
>> >putting effort into the FAQ or pulicising it. I am not going to work to
>> >support an organization that actively seeks to mislead.
>>
>>Which part of it is purposely misleading? There are many organizations
>>devoted
>>to the use of products made by a company and those organizations have
>>nothing to
>>do with that company.
>>I am a member of GardenSLUG (the Garden State LEGO User's
>>Group) and we are in no way managed or overseen by The LEGO Corporation.
>>I
>>see
>>this as quite similar.
>
>Respectfully, you are incorrect.
>
>>Ryan has this OGF that's his baby and it is devoted to
>>promoting a product of a company (Wizards). But that doesn't mean that
>>the
>>OGF
>>is run by Wizards.
>
>As long as the OGL is copyright WotC. Wizards legally "oversees and
>manages"
>its release. Mr. Dancey does not have control of that license except to
>the
>extent that WotC says he does - and THAT can change at ANY time.
>
>I was reserving discussing this issue on the lists until the license was
>final, as I was *hoping* it would change to read "Copyright Ryan Dancey."
>
>>My stance is somewhat shaken by the fact that Ryan is part
>>of the management team at Wizards, but I think the logic remains.
>
>As long as the LICENSE is Copyright WotC, logically, your stance is utterly
>destroyed by this fact. Dancey could LEAVE WotC, but he CANNOT take the
>OGL
>with him because WotC owns the license.
>
>Under these circumstances the notion expressed by that quote ("not managed
>by or overseen by Wizards") is ludicrous.
>
>Note that I would have *NO PROBLEM* with any of these statements if the
>License were copyright "Ryan Dancey" or "The Open Gaming Foundation"
>(provided the registered owner of the foundation were Mr. Dancey and not
>Wizards).
>
>But currently the ONLY thing of ANY value in the Open Gaming Foundation is
>the license, and WotC owns it - and Mr. Dancey can not take it with him if
>he leaves WotC.
>
>It doesn't matter one BIT who's paying for it - it matters who OWNS it.
>
>Faust
>
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