Re: [Ogf-l] (no subject)

[Luke Jones]

>From: Jasyn Jones
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>The "problem" I was responding to was one person's claim that, since the

>Illithid wasn't included in full, they couldn't replicate a good gaming moment

>from 20 years ago.

Okay. Different problem.

> >Why bother to include an Illithiad in the SRD in the first place.

>

>To show you what can be done? To include the seeds for your own creativity?

>To provide yet another example of how to calculate the ever problematic CR? To

>give you some unique abilities you can use or you can be inspired by? Because

>every other monster in the 3e MM was included, so why cut this one entirely?

>

> >Bottom line: The issue is the opposite of having insufficient creative ability

> >to do your own work.

>

>I disagree.

>

>"I can't have the Illithid...this sucks...I can't write modules."

>

>Whose problem is this? If the lack of one monster stops you from writing

>modules, then you need to move to another industry. (Either that, or drop the

>exagerrated claim that no Illithids = no possibility of ever writing 3rd Ed.

>modules).
>

I don't know how you read in "no possibility of ever writing 3rd ed. modules". I stated that it was too legally suspect to creatively use the creature, so it's inclusion in the SRD is not very useful.

>So WOTC didn't give you everything? Ah, poor baby.

Missed it again. If anything, I'm saying that the SRD may be better off without it. In other words, *perhaps* give us less, rather than more, so that we can present the familiar expectations, and be creatively free to build something with it.

>Cowboy up, create
>something else frightening, something new, something never before seen. Why is
>that hard to understand?

The problem understanding, once again, has nothing to do with the ability to create something frightening - it is about pointing out a problem faced when module writers do use SRD content (which is the point about the SRD), but can easily run into legal problems if the use of SRD content matches the expectations player's have from reading their MM.

>You can't, it's not in the SRD (which is what sparked this argument in the
>first place.

Well, to be concise, use of the term "Illithiad" is out - completely. "Mind Flayers", however, >are< in the SRD, and discussion about this should probably relate to the term "Mind Flayers", rather than "Illithiad". I don't have an MM handy, and can't talk about how intertwined the two are.

I think there is a genuine issue here, related to giving players the MM's full, potential value, where modules can be legally published, building on that core book. The issue has >unwittinglly< caught out many publishers. I suspect that, in general, WotC would be happy for module writers to bring the MM to life with SRD content. I think the problem is more one of how WotC keep the saleable value in the MM (ie. if it's fully open content, anyone can copy it for free).

In the spirit of trying to address what I consider to be a real issue, I'll avoid the use of words like "fat", "stupid", "crap", "poor baby", "deal with it", or generally refer to what might be inferred as people's lack of creativity (by the way - I personally have very little, in case you're wondering).

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