>Actually, systemless supplements, like perpetual motion machines or 
>communist economics, are one of those ideas that just seems so good 
>that everyone tries it, and then finds out it just doesn't work.

[aside: i'd say you have to have a *very* flexible definiton for 
"works" to consider our capitalist economy as "working", but that's 
another issue.]

actually, just after sending my last message, i stopped by the local 
game store, only to see exactly what i was complaining about not 
existing: the latest Penumbra product, a bunch of capsule settings (i 
don't remember the title): basically Citybook Lite, but with D20 
stats, when used.

>Consider: If a supplement contains specific mechanics, then, anyone 
>who uses that system can use it 'as is', and those who do not must 
>make an effort to convert. Whereas, if a supplement uses no 
>mechanics, or 'systemless' mechanics, then, EVERYONE must convert. 
>And, since there is no agreed-upon conversion, two people using the 
>same systemless supplement for the same system may end interpreting 
>the same character/spell/item in wildly divergent ways.
>
>A system-specific supplement has a guaranteed core audience, while a 
>systemless supplement does not.

agreed.  the problem isn't the use of a system, it's the style of 
presentation that specifically catering to one system tends to 
engender.  look at the Citybooks--ultimately, they used 
slightly-genericized AD&D for their system bits, but, they weren't 
designed as "AD&D supplements" but rather "fantasy supplements that 
are being marketed to AD&D players".

>Some "generic" books have carved out a succesful niche market -- the 
>citybooks, for example -- but, for the most part, the concept 
>doesn't work nearly as well in practice as it does in theory.
>
>Note, BTW, that Mongoose ramps up the "crunchy bits" with each new release.

damn.  though, as long as the Slayers' Guides keep roughly the same 
sort of content, i'm happy--none of the other topics they've touched 
would likely interest me, however they're executed.
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