Sorry still working on figuring out what all has been opened to general use and disbersement.
> --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:21:34 -0700 > From: "Brad Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] Fw: Spells > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Jason hardy > > > > > Hi I am working on compiling a master list of all the spells throughout > > the > > > D&D world. I was wondering if anyone had Magic of Faerun, or any of the > > > other books in a picture or rtf format > > That material is outside of the scope of Open Gaming. Distribution of such > material is illegal; such requests really aren't appropriate for this list. > > -Brad > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Faustus von Goethe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] Fw: Spells > Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 02:30:10 +0000 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Compile?" You mean ... like ... in the illegal, copyright violation sense > of the word? > > Faust > > > > >From: "Jason hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [Ogf-l] Fw: Spells > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:54:00 -0500 > > > > > > > Hi I am working on compiling a master list of all the spells throughout > >the > > > D&D world. I was wondering if anyone had Magic of Faerun, or any of the > > > other books in a picture or rtf format > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Ogf-l mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Martin L. Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:19:45 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:ogf-l-admin@;opengamingfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > > Robert J Defendi > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > > Hey, I'm new to the list. How ya all doing? > > > > I have a general question. Probably common knowledge but I > > couldn't find it in the archives. Since the splatbooks and > > Epic Levels aren't open content, can they be used in any > > form? For instance, can I give a character in a d20 product > > a prestige class from Tome of Blood is I don't do anything > > but list the name and level and refer you to the book? Also, > > what can I do with writing up higher than twentieth level characters? > > Please understand, I mean the utmost respect when I say the following... > > PLEASE read the licenses and the guide: > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/OGLv1.0a.rtf > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20stlv3.rtf > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20guide.rtf > > Then PLEASE read the official FAQs: > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417a > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417b > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417c > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417h > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417e > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417f > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417g > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417i > > Then PLEASE reference the official SRD site at Wizards: > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd > > And then PLEASE reference the pre-release SRD site at the OGF: > > http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html > > I know this sounds like "RTFM"; but the fact is, there are certain > pieces of basic knowledge you just have to have to understand the > discussions on these lists. Your question is answered in these > documents, if you take the time to read them VERY carefully. > > Now to anticipate some possible responses: > > 1. "I already read them, but I didn't find or couldn't understand > understand the answer." Fair enough. These licenses and FAQs are a lot > to digest all at once, and it never hurts to have some help. These lists > are a good place for some basic answers. > > 2. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > didn't understand, so I got lost." Fair enough. We've all been there. > Maybe we can help you. > > 3. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > didn't understand, so I decided to skip them." Not fair at all. Foul, > even. Like it or not, if you're going to publish (or distribute IN ANY > WAY) under the OGL and the d20 System License, you WILL be responsible > for knowing and understanding and complying with the contents of these > licenses. Folks on these lists will be glad to help in that > understanding as best we can; but they'll expect that you've made the > basic effort to get into the game, so to speak. > > Martin L. Shoemaker > > Martin L. Shoemaker Consulting, Software Design and UML Training > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.MartinLShoemaker.com > http://www.UMLBootCamp.com > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Robert J Defendi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:03:47 -0700 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I've read all the ones I was able to find before posting, but you might > have some here that I couldn't. (As I said, I did go through the > archives looking for this information as well). I'll go back through > these and see if there's a doc here I didn't know about. The base > website for this list has very little in the way of directions into > finding this stuff and the Wizard's site doesn't' seemed to be designed > to promote d20 questions(I spent a week looking before posting here). > Anyway, thanks for all the links I'll go over them all and see if it > helps. I know for a fact, I didn't find that many FAQ's on the Wizard's > website, so there's probably data there I didn't find. > > The legalese was daunting, and to my mind ambiguous (I could interpret > their miniatures clause a dozen different ways). Usually I'm good at > reading contracts (I've never had problem with my work for hire > contracts, at any rate.) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ogf-l- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin L. Shoemaker > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:20 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:ogf-l-admin@;opengamingfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > > > Robert J Defendi > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:59 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > > > > > Hey, I'm new to the list. How ya all doing? > > > > > > I have a general question. Probably common knowledge but I > > > couldn't find it in the archives. Since the splatbooks and > > > Epic Levels aren't open content, can they be used in any > > > form? For instance, can I give a character in a d20 product > > > a prestige class from Tome of Blood is I don't do anything > > > but list the name and level and refer you to the book? Also, > > > what can I do with writing up higher than twentieth level > characters? > > > > Please understand, I mean the utmost respect when I say the > following... > > > > PLEASE read the licenses and the guide: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/OGLv1.0a.rtf > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20stlv3.rtf > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20guide.rtf > > > > Then PLEASE read the official FAQs: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417a > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417b > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417c > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417h > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417e > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417f > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417g > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417i > > > > Then PLEASE reference the official SRD site at Wizards: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd > > > > And then PLEASE reference the pre-release SRD site at the OGF: > > > > http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html > > > > I know this sounds like "RTFM"; but the fact is, there are certain > > pieces of basic knowledge you just have to have to understand the > > discussions on these lists. Your question is answered in these > > documents, if you take the time to read them VERY carefully. > > > > Now to anticipate some possible responses: > > > > 1. "I already read them, but I didn't find or couldn't understand > > understand the answer." Fair enough. These licenses and FAQs are a lot > > to digest all at once, and it never hurts to have some help. These > lists > > are a good place for some basic answers. > > > > 2. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > > didn't understand, so I got lost." Fair enough. We've all been there. > > Maybe we can help you. > > > > 3. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > > didn't understand, so I decided to skip them." Not fair at all. Foul, > > even. Like it or not, if you're going to publish (or distribute IN ANY > > WAY) under the OGL and the d20 System License, you WILL be responsible > > for knowing and understanding and complying with the contents of these > > licenses. Folks on these lists will be glad to help in that > > understanding as best we can; but they'll expect that you've made the > > basic effort to get into the game, so to speak. > > > > Martin L. Shoemaker > > > > Martin L. Shoemaker Consulting, Software Design and UML Training > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.MartinLShoemaker.com > > http://www.UMLBootCamp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ogf-l mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Robert J Defendi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:56:14 -0700 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dude. I had read all that. Of course, this time I read it it's obvious > that I can't use classes from splat books. Evidently, I burned myself > out on the first search of material and didn't get everything from it I > should. > > Okay, so that leaves me with a clarification of one of my questions. > I'm converting some material to d20 right now. I have characters that > by all rights need to be WAY over twentieth level. Without violating > the license or creating a new class system (like Everquest did), what > would you all suggest I do. Is it legal to list a character's level as > thirty, then make a note that this work doesn't' contain information on > character's above twentieth level? > > A new question. I one of those documents (I think it was the d20 guide, > it seems to say you can reference the PH, the DMG, the MM or Psionics > Handbook. In the FAQ's it says you can't. Is one of these out of date, > or am I misreading again? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ogf-l- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Martin L. Shoemaker > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:20 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:ogf-l-admin@;opengamingfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > > > Robert J Defendi > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:59 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > > > > > Hey, I'm new to the list. How ya all doing? > > > > > > I have a general question. Probably common knowledge but I > > > couldn't find it in the archives. Since the splatbooks and > > > Epic Levels aren't open content, can they be used in any > > > form? For instance, can I give a character in a d20 product > > > a prestige class from Tome of Blood is I don't do anything > > > but list the name and level and refer you to the book? Also, > > > what can I do with writing up higher than twentieth level > characters? > > > > Please understand, I mean the utmost respect when I say the > following... > > > > PLEASE read the licenses and the guide: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/OGLv1.0a.rtf > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20stlv3.rtf > > http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/d20guide.rtf > > > > Then PLEASE read the official FAQs: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417a > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417b > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417c > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417h > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417e > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417f > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417g > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417i > > > > Then PLEASE reference the official SRD site at Wizards: > > > > http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=srd > > > > And then PLEASE reference the pre-release SRD site at the OGF: > > > > http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html > > > > I know this sounds like "RTFM"; but the fact is, there are certain > > pieces of basic knowledge you just have to have to understand the > > discussions on these lists. Your question is answered in these > > documents, if you take the time to read them VERY carefully. > > > > Now to anticipate some possible responses: > > > > 1. "I already read them, but I didn't find or couldn't understand > > understand the answer." Fair enough. These licenses and FAQs are a lot > > to digest all at once, and it never hurts to have some help. These > lists > > are a good place for some basic answers. > > > > 2. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > > didn't understand, so I got lost." Fair enough. We've all been there. > > Maybe we can help you. > > > > 3. "I tried to read them, but there's a lot of legalese and stuff I > > didn't understand, so I decided to skip them." Not fair at all. Foul, > > even. Like it or not, if you're going to publish (or distribute IN ANY > > WAY) under the OGL and the d20 System License, you WILL be responsible > > for knowing and understanding and complying with the contents of these > > licenses. Folks on these lists will be glad to help in that > > understanding as best we can; but they'll expect that you've made the > > basic effort to get into the game, so to speak. > > > > Martin L. Shoemaker > > > > Martin L. Shoemaker Consulting, Software Design and UML Training > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.MartinLShoemaker.com > > http://www.UMLBootCamp.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Ogf-l mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > From: "Martin L. Shoemaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 04:03:51 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:ogf-l-admin@;opengamingfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > > Robert J Defendi > > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:56 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] New to the List > > > > > > Dude. I had read all that. > > Glad to hear it. Sorry if I was a nag. But every so often, somebody has > to make sure new folks are reading the licenses and the FAQs, and your > question seemed like a good opportunity. > > > > Of course, this time I read it > > it's obvious that I can't use classes from splat books. > > Evidently, I burned myself out on the first search of > > material and didn't get everything from it I should. > > 'Sallright. It happens to all of us. There's a lot there, and no one can > keep it all straight all the time. > > > > Okay, so that leaves me with a clarification of one of my > > questions. I'm converting some material to d20 right now. I > > have characters that by all rights need to be WAY over > > twentieth level. Without violating the license or creating a > > new class system (like Everquest did), what would you all > > suggest I do. Is it legal to list a character's level as > > thirty, then make a note that this work doesn't' contain > > information on character's above twentieth level? > > Here's another one of those things that needs to be said from time to > time: I am not a lawyer. Nor am I The Guy with a Law Degree Who's Not a > Lawyer (but who teaches law). This is just what I understand, so you'll > want real legal advice before you release. Given that... > > This actually sounds pretty good to me. It's both within the letter and > within the spirit: > > LETTER: You never once mention the Epic Level Handbook or the material > in it. Thus, you haven't derived from any non-open work. > > SPIRIT: For those who know the game, you've strongly IMPLIED the Epic > Level Handbook; and if they want to know what level 30 means in game > effects, they have to go buy the book. That's the "spirit" behind the > d20 license: "You can use our logo, as long as it has a decent chance of > selling our books." > > So I think that if you did JUST what you said, you'd be fine. As soon as > you mentioned ONE special power or ability from the Epic Level Handbook, > though, your ground might get shaky. > > > > A new question. I one of those documents (I think it was the > > d20 guide, it seems to say you can reference the PH, the DMG, > > the MM or Psionics Handbook. In the FAQ's it says you can't. > > Is one of these out of date, or am I misreading again? > > First, you're right: the FAQ here > (http://www.wizards.com/D20/article.asp?x=dt20010417d) appears to be out > of date. It says: > > **************************************************************** > > Q: Can I reference the Player's Handbook or any other published d20 > product? > > A: You can reference "Player's Handbook," because that's not a > trademark. "Dungeon Master" and "Monster Manual" are, so you can't > reference the DMG or the MM. > > **************************************************************** > > This contradicts the latest guide, as we'll see below. > > Now the details of referencing the books contain some subtleties. Some > of the book titles contain trademarks, so the license precludes you from > using them; but it doesn't preclude you from using abbreviations that > don't include the trademarks. It allows you to use other titles either > in long form or abbreviated. Still other titles are just plain off > limits for now. (And yes, you might find some argument under trademark > law that makes you think that you can use an off-limits title; but > remember that Wizards can change the d20 System License at will. If you > find some sort of loophole, they'll just close it; so it may be easier > to keep with the spirit they intended.) Here's the relevant text from > the latest guide: > > **************************************************************** > > Citations of other Wizards of the Coast products in Covered Works: > > You may refer to the Dungeon Master's Guide as the DMG, the Monster > Manual as the MM. You may cite the Player's Handbook by title, or as > the PHB. You may cite the Psionics Handbook by title. You must not > cite page number references, because pagination may change in future > printings. You may cite chapter, heading, and subheading titles from > the DMG, the MM, the PHB or the Psionics Handbook. > > Example: > > "See DMG Chapter 3, Special Abilities, Charm and Compulsion for more > information." > > At this time, you may not make reference by title to any other Wizards > of the Coast products. > > **************************************************************** > > Let's hope that, as soon as d20 Modern is out, we see most of its > crunchy bits entered into the SRD, and the guide updated to allow us to > reference it where appropriate. > > Don't forget: there's also the mandatory citations. From the latest > guide: > > **************************************************************** > > Mandatory Trademark Use: > > You MUST include, visibly and in a readable size, on the cover or back > cover (or title page of works without covers) of the Covered Product, > one or more of the following text blocks: > > "Requires the use of the Dungeons & Dragons(R) Player's Handbook, Third > Edition, published by Wizards of the Coast(R)" > > or > > "Requires the use of the Dungeons & Dragons(R), Third Edition Core > Books, published by Wizards of the Coast(R)" > or > > "Requires the use of the Dungeons & Dragons(R), Third Edition Core > Books, and the Psionics Handbook, published by Wizards of the Coast(R)" > > or > > "Requires the use of a Roleplaying Game Core Book published by Wizards > of the Coast(R)" > > Elsewhere in the work, at a reasonable size, you must include the > following text: > > You must also include the following legal text in a reasonably legible > font, point size and color somewhere in the work: > > "Dungeons & Dragons(R) and Wizards of the Coast(R) are Registered > Trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, and are used with Permission." > > If you do not use "Dungeons & Dragons" anywhere in the work, you may > instead use the following legal text: > > "Wizards of the Coast(R) is a Registered Trademark of Wizards of the > Coast and is used with Permission." > > Permission is granted to translate this text into a non-English > language, provided that the English text is also included, and that the > translated text is identified as non-official. > > **************************************************************** > > Hope this helps! > > Martin L. Shoemaker > > Martin L. Shoemaker Consulting, Software Design and UML Training > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.MartinLShoemaker.com > http://www.UMLBootCamp.com > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Ogf-l mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l > > > End of Ogf-l Digest > _______________________________________________ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
