To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to:
"see how open culture can change the world" "see how open science can change the world" "see how X can change the world" Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating the potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-) Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points coming! Rufus On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open. > > In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part of > the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't fully > embrace the open knowledge definition. It's about "openess" > > > thanks, > > > javi > > > 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: > > I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public >> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I >> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was trying >> to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it was a >> false impression. >> >> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data" >> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the >> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and >> seems to be a totally different organization… >> >> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but >> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else. >> >> Sincerely, >> Aaron >> >> -- >> Aaron Wolf >> wolftune.com >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential >>> shift in >>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions. >>> > >>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data >>> stuff was >>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free >>> Culture", >>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see zero >>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think >>> that will >>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody will >>> ever >>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with >>> free/open >>> > art. >>> >>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about >>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point. >>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural >>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help >>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote, >>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to >>> them, seems tangential. >>> >>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is >>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data. >>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented >>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd >>> expect from "see how data can change the world" >>> >>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace >>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes, >>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-) >>> >>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds", >>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range) >>> >>> -- >>> - Andrew Gray >>> [email protected] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> okfn-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >> >> > > > -- > www.IdeasforChange.com > www.NoSomosHormigas.org > > _______________________________________________ > okfn-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss > > -- *Rufus PollockFounder and President | skype: rufuspollock | @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock>Open Knowledge <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world**http://okfn.org/ <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> | Blog <http://blog.okfn.org/>* *Come to the Open Knowledge Festival <http://okfestival.org/> in Berlin 15-17 July 2014!* The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation. 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