If it had been flexible and all-encompassing initially, I might never have complained. But since we're discussing it, "see" is still too passive. It isn't "help" or "open" as a verb or any other call to action. "See" just says, "stand back and watch".
But really, I would not have bothered making much of this if not for the strange narrowing of the "data" focus. -- Aaron Wolf wolftune.com On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock <[email protected]> wrote: > To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the > "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to: > > "see how open culture can change the world" > "see how open science can change the world" > "see how X can change the world" > > Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating the > potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-) > > Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points > coming! > > Rufus > > > On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open. >> >> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part >> of the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't >> fully embrace the open knowledge definition. It's about "openess" >> >> >> thanks, >> >> >> javi >> >> >> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: >> >> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public >>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I >>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was >>> trying to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it >>> was a false impression. >>> >>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data" >>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the >>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and >>> seems to be a totally different organization… >>> >>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but >>> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Aaron >>> >>> -- >>> Aaron Wolf >>> wolftune.com >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential >>>> shift in >>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions. >>>> > >>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data >>>> stuff was >>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free >>>> Culture", >>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see >>>> zero >>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think >>>> that will >>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody will >>>> ever >>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with >>>> free/open >>>> > art. >>>> >>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about >>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point. >>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural >>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help >>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote, >>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to >>>> them, seems tangential. >>>> >>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is >>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data. >>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented >>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd >>>> expect from "see how data can change the world" >>>> >>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace >>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes, >>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-) >>>> >>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds", >>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - Andrew Gray >>>> [email protected] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.IdeasforChange.com >> www.NoSomosHormigas.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> okfn-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >> >> > > > -- > > * Rufus Pollock Founder and President | skype: rufuspollock | > @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock> Open Knowledge > <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world **http://okfn.org/ > <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> | Blog > <http://blog.okfn.org/>* > > *Come to the Open Knowledge Festival <http://okfestival.org/> in Berlin > 15-17 July 2014!* > > The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation. 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