Going from that idea of active voice, combined with audience/setting-responsive focus word, (data, science, art, etc) the variant occurred to me..:
The Future of Science is Ours to Open. The Future of Culture is Ours to Open. The Future of Data is Ours to Open. etc. - h On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: > If it had been flexible and all-encompassing initially, I might never have > complained. But since we're discussing it, "see" is still too passive. It > isn't "help" or "open" as a verb or any other call to action. "See" just > says, "stand back and watch". > > But really, I would not have bothered making much of this if not for the > strange narrowing of the "data" focus. > > -- > Aaron Wolf > wolftune.com > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the >> "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to: >> >> "see how open culture can change the world" >> "see how open science can change the world" >> "see how X can change the world" >> >> Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating the >> potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-) >> >> Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points >> coming! >> >> Rufus >> >> >> On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open. >>> >>> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part >>> of the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't >>> fully embrace the open knowledge definition. It's about "openess" >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> >>> javi >>> >>> >>> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: >>> >>> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public >>>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, I >>>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was >>>> trying to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it >>>> was a false impression. >>>> >>>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data" >>>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the >>>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and >>>> seems to be a totally different organization… >>>> >>>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but >>>> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Aaron Wolf >>>> wolftune.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential >>>>> shift in >>>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions. >>>>> > >>>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data >>>>> stuff was >>>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free >>>>> Culture", >>>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see >>>>> zero >>>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think >>>>> that will >>>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody will >>>>> ever >>>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with >>>>> free/open >>>>> > art. >>>>> >>>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about >>>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point. >>>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural >>>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help >>>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote, >>>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to >>>>> them, seems tangential. >>>>> >>>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is >>>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data. >>>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented >>>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd >>>>> expect from "see how data can change the world" >>>>> >>>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace >>>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes, >>>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-) >>>>> >>>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds", >>>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - Andrew Gray >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.IdeasforChange.com >>> www.NoSomosHormigas.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> * Rufus Pollock Founder and President | skype: rufuspollock | >> @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock> Open Knowledge >> <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world **http://okfn.org/ >> <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on >> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> | Blog >> <http://blog.okfn.org/>* >> >> *Come to the Open Knowledge Festival <http://okfestival.org/> in Berlin >> 15-17 July 2014!* >> >> The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation. 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