"Lets make Open change the world"
2014-06-17 19:38 GMT+02:00 heath rezabek <[email protected]>: > Going from that idea of active voice, combined with > audience/setting-responsive focus word, (data, science, art, etc) the > variant occurred to me..: > > The Future of Science is Ours to Open. > > The Future of Culture is Ours to Open. > > The Future of Data is Ours to Open. > > etc. > > > - h > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If it had been flexible and all-encompassing initially, I might never >> have complained. But since we're discussing it, "see" is still too passive. >> It isn't "help" or "open" as a verb or any other call to action. "See" just >> says, "stand back and watch". >> >> But really, I would not have bothered making much of this if not for the >> strange narrowing of the "data" focus. >> >> -- >> Aaron Wolf >> wolftune.com >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Rufus Pollock <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> To add here I'd assumed that we'd leverage the opportunity to vary the >>> "see how" stuff e.g. you could vary it to: >>> >>> "see how open culture can change the world" >>> "see how open science can change the world" >>> "see how X can change the world" >>> >>> Let me re-iterate I'm not super-advocating this option but indicating >>> the potential and trying to avoid (too much) hangup on the "data" point :-) >>> >>> Generally great to see the rich conversation here and keep the points >>> coming! >>> >>> Rufus >>> >>> >>> On 17 June 2014 16:51, Javier Creus <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I am afraid as well that "data" is not everything worth to be open. >>>> >>>> In my opinion Tesla's movement to share its patents with anyone is part >>>> of the Open movement, even if it is not strictly data and if it doesn't >>>> fully embrace the open knowledge definition. It's about "openess" >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> javi >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-06-17 15:48 GMT+02:00 Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> I'll be *this* bold (and it's totally honest!). I *love *the Public >>>>> Domain review! And with the new logo and tagline and all this discussion, >>>>> I >>>>> *literally* forgot that the PDR was an OK project. I actually was >>>>> trying to remember if OK had anything to do with culture and art or if it >>>>> was a false impression. >>>>> >>>>> If I could, I'd propose a plain old *veto* of the "See how data" >>>>> tagline. I'm honestly thinking like "holy moly, how could I forget the >>>>> PDR!" But the whole rebranding seems to have nothing to do with it and >>>>> seems to be a totally different organization… >>>>> >>>>> I know you could read a lot of different emotion behind this text, but >>>>> I'm truly more surprised and baffled than anything else. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Aaron >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Aaron Wolf >>>>> wolftune.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Andrew Gray <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 June 2014 17:31, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Thanks, Rufus. I agree. The concern was initially about potential >>>>>> shift in >>>>>> > focus and concern about inclusion of the community in the decisions. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > To be clear, I always thought it was great that lots of Open Data >>>>>> stuff was >>>>>> > happening, but I saw "Open Knowledge" as basically including "Free >>>>>> Culture", >>>>>> > and when I think of stuff cultural works like music and art, I see >>>>>> zero >>>>>> > place for that in "See how data can change the world". And I think >>>>>> that will >>>>>> > remain the case for everyone who ever sees that tagline. Nobody >>>>>> will ever >>>>>> > see that tagline and think OK has anything directly to do with >>>>>> free/open >>>>>> > art. >>>>>> >>>>>> Piping up from the background... I felt somewhat uncomfortable about >>>>>> the "data can change the world" idea, and I think this is a key point. >>>>>> It's certainly true to say "yes, of course, it encompasses cultural >>>>>> things as well, regardless of the tagline"... but that doesn't help >>>>>> someone who isn't familiar, doesn't already know that silent footnote, >>>>>> and may well be put off engaging by the emphasis on something that, to >>>>>> them, seems tangential. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, one of the best and most interesting things OKFN has done is >>>>>> the Public Domain Review - which is a thousand miles from data. >>>>>> Likewise, the whole OpenGLAM work has been very much content-oriented >>>>>> (though data work plays a part). Neither of these are what you'd >>>>>> expect from "see how data can change the world" >>>>>> >>>>>> To go back to Rufus' comparisons, this is a bit like Greenpeace >>>>>> deciding its tagline should be "caring for the whales". I mean, yes, >>>>>> it's certainly correct, but it might also be a bit misleading ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> (Obligatory preference: "Open knowledge: open data, open minds", >>>>>> without repetition, is quite neat at bridging the full range) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - Andrew Gray >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.IdeasforChange.com >>>> www.NoSomosHormigas.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> okfn-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> * Rufus Pollock Founder and President | skype: rufuspollock | >>> @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock> Open Knowledge >>> <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world **http://okfn.org/ >>> <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on >>> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> | Blog >>> <http://blog.okfn.org/>* >>> >>> *Come to the Open Knowledge Festival <http://okfestival.org/> in Berlin >>> 15-17 July 2014!* >>> >>> The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation. 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