I totally agree with Tom here. I have always believed OL data was released under CC0 (and I hope it will (continue to) be), mostly because of the message in the edit form. Theoretically me agreeing to share info with OL under CC0 doesn't mean that OL must/will share it as CC0 again, but it is the most prominent licencing agreement. Let's be clear about it, soon.
I confess that I too have taken a bit of Wikipedia and put in an author profile (with attribution) - I didn't copy a whole page, but I don't know if I can call it "fair use" either. Ben On 12 February 2013 21:07, Tom Morris <[email protected]> wrote: > I was repeating CC0 without checking (partly because I thought I'd heard > that before). Actually, the edit page *DOES* say CC0 "By saving a change > to this wiki, you agree that your contribution is given freely to the world > under CC0. Yippee!" What it should probably also say is "and you have the > rights to make this grant." However, that's in conflict with the license > statement below... > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> The OL "license terms" are the IA "license terms" -- thus: >> http://archive.org/about/terms.php > > > The "license" which is linked to from the site itself is at > http://openlibrary.org/developers/licensing and it says, in part: > > "The Internet Archive does not assert any new copyright or other > proprietary rights over any of the material in the Open Library database. > There may be existing rights issues on some contributions and in some > jurisdictions. " > > which is, quite frankly, a huge cop out. That effectively says that no > one can use the information because you have no idea what rights and > restrictions apply. The only thing I can guess is that they either didn't > have the CC0 requirement in the early days or they imported data of dubious > provenance early on. > > The only reasonable way to run a shared database like this is the way > Wikipedia, Freebase, etc do it. That is, decide what your license is going > to be, then only accept contributions which are acceptable under that > license. People will still break the rules, but at least you've made an > effort and are covered. > > >> It is not CC0, because most of the info in OL is not owned by OL/IA. >> Only a rights owner can assign a CC license. >> >> OL already pulls in descriptions from Wikipedia and sources them: >> http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL29497A/Herman_Melville > > > That was added by hand by user Winnie > http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL29497A/Herman_Melville?m=history > > >> I believe that this fulfills the "attribution - share alike" of Wikipedia. >> > > I disagree because there is no requirement on downstream consumers that > they also license that text under CC-BY-SA. If that were allowed you could > do "license washing" by taking licensed text from Wikipedia, pouring it > into Open Library and then taking the OL dump and claiming that there was > no license attached. > > Either the entire database needs a single homogeneous license that humans > can deal with or there needs to be machine readable licensing information > attached to subsets of the data. > > The "we don't know what the license is and you'll need to figure it out on > your own" is useless from the point of view of someone who wants to reuse > the information. > > Tom > > >> >> kc >> >> On 2/12/13 11:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: >> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:58 AM, John Shutt <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > I noticed that a lot of books on Open Library don't have >> > descriptions, so I've started working on NondescriptBot >> > <https://github.com/pemulis/nondescript-bot>, which would make it >> > easy to pull book summaries from Wikipedia, reformat them, and add >> > them to Open Library. I haven't written any code yet (except for the >> > login, which was adapted from IdentifierBot >> > < >> https://github.com/dmontalvo/IdentifierBot/blob/master/fastadder.py>), >> > but you can see the basic outline in the comments >> > < >> https://github.com/pemulis/nondescript-bot/blob/master/nondescriptbot.py >> >. >> > >> > Before I go any further, I want to see if anyone knows if this bot >> > would be okay from a licensing standpoint. Wikipedia entries are >> > licensed under CC-BY-SA >> > < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License >> >, >> > which requires attribution, while Open Library content is supposed >> > to be licensed under CC0 >> > <https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/>, which waives >> > all rights. It's trivial to put a CC-BY-SA disclaimer at the bottom >> > of a description, but I don't know if it's permitted to add content >> > to OL that falls under that license. >> > >> > >> > No, you can't use a copyrightable amount of text which is CC-BY-SA >> > licensed on a CC0 site. Part of the license is that you need to enforce >> > it for sub-licensees & reusers, which there's no way to do with a CC0 >> work. >> > >> > You could paraphrase or reword the description, but that's clearly not a >> > job for a bot. You could also extract a small enough amount of text >> > that it would fall under "fair use" guidelines and then link back to >> > Wikipedia for the full text. If nothing else, links to Wikipedia would >> > be useful (provided that their reliable). >> > >> > Assuming this bot is allowed, it would be awesome to get advice and >> > pull requests from other developers! I'm coming into this project >> > with very limited knowledge of Python, so I'm sure there will be >> > plenty of places where my code could be improved. >> > >> > >> > I'm happy to help with Python as well as OpenLibrary or Wikipedia APIs. >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ol-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] > >
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