I like that solution, since it not only avoids the license conflict but would keep the descriptions up-to-date automatically.
Now, to dig even deeper into the MediaWiki API docs... On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Ben Companjen <[email protected]>wrote: > +1 to that. I had been thinking along the same lines, but didn't write it > down. > Of course it isn't a solution for all the works that already contain > Wikipedia content. > > But even more important I think is that the licence that applies is made > very clear. If it is CC0, add a note that copyrighted content cannot be > added. > Can you shed a light on that, Anand? > > Ben > On Feb 19, 2013 9:29 AM, "Anand Chitipothu" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Another solution is to add wikipedia ID to work page and fetch the >> wikipedia description while rendering the page. >> >> That way the content will not be part of OL data. No licensing issues. >> >> Anand >> >> On 13-Feb-2013, at 2:31 AM, Ben Companjen wrote: >> >> I totally agree with Tom here. >> >> I have always believed OL data was released under CC0 (and I hope it will >> (continue to) be), mostly because of the message in the edit form. >> Theoretically me agreeing to share info with OL under CC0 doesn't mean that >> OL must/will share it as CC0 again, but it is the most prominent licencing >> agreement. Let's be clear about it, soon. >> >> I confess that I too have taken a bit of Wikipedia and put in an author >> profile (with attribution) - I didn't copy a whole page, but I don't know >> if I can call it "fair use" either. >> >> Ben >> >> >> On 12 February 2013 21:07, Tom Morris <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I was repeating CC0 without checking (partly because I thought I'd heard >>> that before). Actually, the edit page *DOES* say CC0 "By saving a change >>> to this wiki, you agree that your contribution is given freely to the world >>> under CC0. Yippee!" What it should probably also say is "and you have the >>> rights to make this grant." However, that's in conflict with the license >>> statement below... >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Karen Coyle <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> The OL "license terms" are the IA "license terms" -- thus: >>>> http://archive.org/about/terms.php >>> >>> >>> The "license" which is linked to from the site itself is at >>> http://openlibrary.org/developers/licensing and it says, in part: >>> >>> "The Internet Archive does not assert any new copyright or other >>> proprietary rights over any of the material in the Open Library database. >>> There may be existing rights issues on some contributions and in some >>> jurisdictions. " >>> >>> which is, quite frankly, a huge cop out. That effectively says that no >>> one can use the information because you have no idea what rights and >>> restrictions apply. The only thing I can guess is that they either didn't >>> have the CC0 requirement in the early days or they imported data of dubious >>> provenance early on. >>> >>> The only reasonable way to run a shared database like this is the way >>> Wikipedia, Freebase, etc do it. That is, decide what your license is going >>> to be, then only accept contributions which are acceptable under that >>> license. People will still break the rules, but at least you've made an >>> effort and are covered. >>> >>> >>>> It is not CC0, because most of the info in OL is not owned by OL/IA. >>>> Only a rights owner can assign a CC license. >>>> >>>> OL already pulls in descriptions from Wikipedia and sources them: >>>> http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL29497A/Herman_Melville >>> >>> >>> That was added by hand by user Winnie >>> http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL29497A/Herman_Melville?m=history >>> >>> >>>> I believe that this fulfills the "attribution - share alike" of >>>> Wikipedia. >>>> >>> >>> I disagree because there is no requirement on downstream consumers that >>> they also license that text under CC-BY-SA. If that were allowed you could >>> do "license washing" by taking licensed text from Wikipedia, pouring it >>> into Open Library and then taking the OL dump and claiming that there was >>> no license attached. >>> >>> Either the entire database needs a single homogeneous license that >>> humans can deal with or there needs to be machine readable licensing >>> information attached to subsets of the data. >>> >>> The "we don't know what the license is and you'll need to figure it out >>> on your own" is useless from the point of view of someone who wants to >>> reuse the information. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>>> >>>> kc >>>> >>>> On 2/12/13 11:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: >>>> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:58 AM, John Shutt <[email protected] >>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I noticed that a lot of books on Open Library don't have >>>> > descriptions, so I've started working on NondescriptBot >>>> > <https://github.com/pemulis/nondescript-bot>, which would make it >>>> > easy to pull book summaries from Wikipedia, reformat them, and add >>>> > them to Open Library. I haven't written any code yet (except for >>>> the >>>> > login, which was adapted from IdentifierBot >>>> > < >>>> https://github.com/dmontalvo/IdentifierBot/blob/master/fastadder.py>), >>>> > but you can see the basic outline in the comments >>>> > < >>>> https://github.com/pemulis/nondescript-bot/blob/master/nondescriptbot.py >>>> >. >>>> > >>>> > Before I go any further, I want to see if anyone knows if this bot >>>> > would be okay from a licensing standpoint. Wikipedia entries are >>>> > licensed under CC-BY-SA >>>> > < >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License >>>> >, >>>> > which requires attribution, while Open Library content is supposed >>>> > to be licensed under CC0 >>>> > <https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/>, which >>>> waives >>>> > all rights. It's trivial to put a CC-BY-SA disclaimer at the >>>> bottom >>>> > of a description, but I don't know if it's permitted to add >>>> content >>>> > to OL that falls under that license. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > No, you can't use a copyrightable amount of text which is CC-BY-SA >>>> > licensed on a CC0 site. Part of the license is that you need to >>>> enforce >>>> > it for sub-licensees & reusers, which there's no way to do with a CC0 >>>> work. >>>> > >>>> > You could paraphrase or reword the description, but that's clearly >>>> not a >>>> > job for a bot. You could also extract a small enough amount of text >>>> > that it would fall under "fair use" guidelines and then link back to >>>> > Wikipedia for the full text. If nothing else, links to Wikipedia >>>> would >>>> > be useful (provided that their reliable). >>>> > >>>> > Assuming this bot is allowed, it would be awesome to get advice >>>> and >>>> > pull requests from other developers! I'm coming into this project >>>> > with very limited knowledge of Python, so I'm sure there will be >>>> > plenty of places where my code could be improved. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I'm happy to help with Python as well as OpenLibrary or Wikipedia >>>> APIs. >>>> > >>>> > Tom >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ol-tech mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ol-tech mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> [email protected] >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Ol-tech mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-tech > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > [email protected] > >
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