I'm not talking about mutiny :) but keep in mind that our history and brand is our most valuable asset, What I'm talking about is that *old* cooker, not om-cooker being the main repo, for which OMV will of course have full acess to, but the symbolism is quite important, as this is like the only way we can stay visible and remain in peoples' hearts... I'm simply proposing to change the key back to what used to identify and give legitimacy to our project being the one true and same Mandrake project that was beloved, brand recognation and appeal to old users.. Also with this being not only a PR stunt, it would also make the project being taken more seriously given it's long history, rather than a newcomer lacking any credentials to have any chance of any partnerships or anything which could generate revenue, and for which OMA has yet to prove any remote success in this area,, Not to mention the abandonment of trademark/artwork which Mandrake was famous for, but in stead trying build an entirely new entity that by those who did so outside of cooker making the decissions without any actual insight on how this world works, leaving a distribution with looks just as generic and boring as everyone else, without offering any benefits, but rather the opposite, while lacking a designated purpose or proper strategy. Personally I'm not member of the OMA-council due to how corrupt the establishment of it ended up taking turn, and I refuse to be officially affiliated with it unless it turns around and listen to the expertize and advice from those who's actually got experience and insight of all the aspect...
This is why we need this, OMA cannot just improve going in the current direction, it needs to be a complete restructuring where the people who have the the necessary credentials and understanding needs to participate, otherwise you only have what OMA turned out to be, a pile of neophytes without any attempt to involve the project which is was really supposed to support,,, You might remember Bruce Perens' harsh critic towards and spelled it clearly how they were doing wrong, with the following grand meeting where we all had the consensus that cooker was independent and the one who decided over the project, yet OMA in it's complete disregard forcibly took control of the infrastructure and decided to rather create a new project... People might think that one shouldn't get stuck in the past, but when the grave mistake that plagued the project took place in the past, we need to go back and correctify the mistake that were made, unless we can merely just try compensate for the mistake with rather poor result compared to by actually correcting the mistake, -- Regards, Per Øyvind 2015-07-21 7:31 GMT+02:00 Crispin Boylan <[email protected]>: > I'm not really sure why signing with the mandrake cooker key is of any > importance other than mildly symbolic. > > and how would oma become a sub-project? Where is 'upstream' which would > become the true cooker? > > I think if what you say is true regarding the future then obviously there > needs to be some frank discussion of the realities of the project future. > I think if you want to talk about a possible rebranding then that's a > different issue, but I don't think it requires a mutiny. > > I think it would be best to just focus on how to improve things rather > than this harping back to disputes from years ago. We are where we are > now, and looking back is at best a diversion. > > > On 20/07/15 19:49, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> This is something I've been meaning to write for a long while, and most >> contributors has really wanted me to bring up.. >> Namely how this project since I was blocked from the project that got >> hijacked and illegimately decided to denounce me as the project leader,, >> And the consensus of majority of contributors, while also ROSA has been >> very unsatisfied by the result (remember, we were about to merge the two >> again before psychopats as Matthew Dawkins manipulated everyone off-list in >> private and made this whole a chaos and the the perfect distribution that >> was in the works, never materialized, which OMV Lx became a huge >> disappointment compared to,,, >> >> Also, which people like Kate are sincery dishonest about, is our funding >> and her intentions about leaving in like three months as Leonid Reiman is >> pulling out... >> With the funds OMA has, this project will only be able to cover server >> expenses for veryvery short time now... >> >> So something needs to be done,,, >> I personally have a 64 core system which outperforms the whole cluster >> nodes, which I'll be sponsoring the project with, while trying to see if I >> can get free hosting or at least a good price on... >> >> Also, as OpenMandriva Lx, and "om.cooker" has abandoned all legacy and >> trademark, and become irrelevant now, this project has no appeal to much >> people, stability and usage wise I'm not even recommending it to other... >> >> So I propose that I assume the project leader role again (which >> technically, noone took away from, this was handed to me by JMC himself to >> take responsibility for, which OMA forced itself to take these away, yet I >> never gave them... >> Also with OpenMandriva Lx has been a disaster what name, trademark and >> lacking any clear goals and purposes concerns, this needs to change. >> Our history dates back almost 20 years, and is our greatest assetm while >> OMA without even consulting cooker, decided that this would be a new >> project, while "om-cooker" isn''t even considered as old cooker by those, >> something WE, the project, and which we made a clear stance on that WE >> controlled the project, NOT OMA which people might recall from the grand >> metting back in 2013... >> >> >> So given current situation, and that I know I have support from most, >> even Raphaël who's has been so sorry for what happened and the mistakes >> that wore, I propose taking the project leader role (as we actually still >> lack one, I replaced Eugeni, noone replaced me) and everyone who have long >> experience with me know that I'm just, have integrity, longest experience >> with this project and know all of and how things works.. >> >> Also with the OMV naming disaster, while not even recovered the signing >> key, giving the righteous rights to our cooker project, which I have in my >> possession,, >> >> And on a related note, with Mandriva being liquidaed we have no legal >> presence in control of the project, the trademark loss back in 2006 is >> rather moot outside of France... >> >> So in order to settle the the dispute, I'm wanting to name the project >> back to Mandrake GNU/Linux (linux foundation has trademark on linux), while >> signing with the true Mandrake key in order for us to claim being the >> project (most people has started perceiving Mageia as the true Mandrake >> heir, which is a total lie, they forked with desceptive tactics and lies, >> they even trying to steal our projects, claiming for themself to be the >> true upstream for all of our software projects, which is plainly wrong)... >> Notice however, I do not want to spoil the efforts people has invested in >> OpenMandriva Lx, and as several among us has talked about separating it to >> a subproject, with the true cooker being upstream. Especially since OMV >> cannot be considered the same project, different signing key and even >> changing version name to 3 (over almost twenty year as a full blown >> community participated project, we obviously have released tons of past >> releases..) >> >> So I hope that people will support this, otherwise the inevitable end is >> near,, >> >> And pointed out above that I'll be sponsoring enterprise hardware, with >> the current servers soon disappering I hope you all see that this is the >> only way to save this project,,, >> >> Would anyone protest against this? >> >> If so, I'll be renaming moondrake to mandrake, while still keep signing >> with the authentic Mandrake key in my releases and repos,,, >> >> Well, I hope at least that I spark a discussion and brought up the >> severity of the situation for people to fully understand in what distress >> this project actually and also pave the ground for people to discuss >> problems with project and what their unhappy with, Many people are loosing >> interest and stopping to contribute... >> >> >> Sincere Regards, >> Per Øyvind >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OM-Cooker mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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