[Winona Online Democracy]
Paul,
I agree . . . it would be relatively easy to find out at a local level what
the total increase in salaries plus benefits for teachers has been -- and
that kind of primary source data is important to know; but in terms of the
message that was posted regarding salary comparisons, I'm interested in the
statement by Mr. Powell that compared statewide (non teacher) salaries to
teacher salaries plus benefits.
I'm interested to know if this is an "apples to apples" comparison and if
the number he quoted for the increase in the statewide (non teacher)
salaries included benefits. And, of course, I'd be interested to know the
source of the number.
-Steve Kranz
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From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> Maybe the Business Office of WAPS(861) could pull the contract from 1990
> and pick say BA 15 Step 5 and compare it to the current contract. The
also
> look at the cost of TRA then and now as well as the medical insurance cost
> for Married with Children. We would also want to look at the current Step
> 15, if there is one, thus to move that person to the place they would be
> just by being employed for that 10 year period. That should at least give
> us a solid footing for a place to start.
>
> Paul Double
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> >From: "Steve Kranz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
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> >I would like to know two things if anyone has the answer.
> >
> >1. If you say that salaries AND benefits role 52% for teachers, and
> >salaries rose 43% for the rest of the state; does the 43% include
benefits
> >or are you just applying that half of the statistic to teachers and not
the
> >rest of the population?
> >
> >2. I would also like to know the source of each of these statistics. Is
> >there a primary source online?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >-Steve Kranz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Duke Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Scott Lowery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 1:27 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
> >
> >
> >> [Winona Online Democracy]
> >>
> >> While I am sure that Mr. Lowery believes what he has posted is true,
> >> this is a perfect example of how Education Minnesota is lying to the
> >> citizens of Minnesota. This bit of misinformation has been refuted time
> >> and again but I will explain it one more time.
> >>
> >> It is true that the average salary of Minnesota teachers has risen only
> >> by 23% during the 1990's. It is also true that salaries and benefits
> >> rose by 52.5% over the same period.
> >>
> >> Ya know, I just had a thought. This is what educators would call a
> >> "teachable moment."
> >>
> >> What I am going to do is see if anyone on this list can figure out how
> >> both of the above assertions can be true.
> >>
> >> I'll monitor the responses and will either congratulate the person who
> >> comes up with the correct answer or provide it myself if it looks like
> >> no one will figure it out.
> >>
> >> Duke Powell
> >> Burnsville
> >>
> >>
> >> >Scott Lowery wrote:
> >>
> >> > [Winona Online Democracy]
> >>
> >> >However Paul loses me when he starts railing about the MEA soaking up
> >>our tax dollars, in a redistribution of wealth no yet! Over the past
>10
> >years, there's been a 43% average growth in wages for all Minnesota >wage
> >earners. During the same period, the average MN teacher salary >increased
by
> >23%. If there is redistribution of wealth going on, it is ?flowing away
from
> >teachers, not toward them.
> >> > Scott Lowery
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