[Winona Online Democracy]
My original post did not give non-teacher salary increases over the
period of the 1990's. That information was in Mr. Lowery' post.
The 52.5% increase in salary and benefits for the teachers, state wide,
came from the Office of the Legislative Auditor.
In addition, I agree that a fair examination of salary increases for
teachers during the last decade would result from the suggestion that
Mr. Double offered.
Duke Powell
Steve Kranz wrote:
>
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> Paul,
>
> I agree . . . it would be relatively easy to find out at a local level what
> the total increase in salaries plus benefits for teachers has been -- and
> that kind of primary source data is important to know; but in terms of the
> message that was posted regarding salary comparisons, I'm interested in the
> statement by Mr. Powell that compared statewide (non teacher) salaries to
> teacher salaries plus benefits.
>
> I'm interested to know if this is an "apples to apples" comparison and if
> the number he quoted for the increase in the statewide (non teacher)
> salaries included benefits. And, of course, I'd be interested to know the
> source of the number.
>
> -Steve Kranz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
>
> > [Winona Online Democracy]
> >
> > Maybe the Business Office of WAPS(861) could pull the contract from 1990
> > and pick say BA 15 Step 5 and compare it to the current contract. The
> also
> > look at the cost of TRA then and now as well as the medical insurance cost
> > for Married with Children. We would also want to look at the current Step
> > 15, if there is one, thus to move that person to the place they would be
> > just by being employed for that 10 year period. That should at least give
> > us a solid footing for a place to start.
> >
> > Paul Double
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > >From: "Steve Kranz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >References: <l03010d04b719fec7e2d8@[209.83.83.130]>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
> > >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 08:26:32 -0500
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> > >[Winona Online Democracy]
> > >
> > >I would like to know two things if anyone has the answer.
> > >
> > >1. If you say that salaries AND benefits role 52% for teachers, and
> > >salaries rose 43% for the rest of the state; does the 43% include
> benefits
> > >or are you just applying that half of the statistic to teachers and not
> the
> > >rest of the population?
> > >
> > >2. I would also like to know the source of each of these statistics. Is
> > >there a primary source online?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >-Steve Kranz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Duke Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Scott Lowery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 1:27 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Winona] Minnesota SOS (Same Old Song)
> > >
> > >
> > >> [Winona Online Democracy]
> > >>
> > >> While I am sure that Mr. Lowery believes what he has posted is true,
> > >> this is a perfect example of how Education Minnesota is lying to the
> > >> citizens of Minnesota. This bit of misinformation has been refuted time
> > >> and again but I will explain it one more time.
> > >>
> > >> It is true that the average salary of Minnesota teachers has risen only
> > >> by 23% during the 1990's. It is also true that salaries and benefits
> > >> rose by 52.5% over the same period.
> > >>
> > >> Ya know, I just had a thought. This is what educators would call a
> > >> "teachable moment."
> > >>
> > >> What I am going to do is see if anyone on this list can figure out how
> > >> both of the above assertions can be true.
> > >>
> > >> I'll monitor the responses and will either congratulate the person who
> > >> comes up with the correct answer or provide it myself if it looks like
> > >> no one will figure it out.
> > >>
> > >> Duke Powell
> > >> Burnsville
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >Scott Lowery wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > [Winona Online Democracy]
> > >>
> > >> >However Paul loses me when he starts railing about the MEA soaking up
> > >>our tax dollars, in a redistribution of wealth no yet! Over the past
> >10
> > >years, there's been a 43% average growth in wages for all Minnesota >wage
> > >earners. During the same period, the average MN teacher salary >increased
> by
> > >23%. If there is redistribution of wealth going on, it is ?flowing away
> from
> > >teachers, not toward them.
> > >> > Scott Lowery
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