On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I realized after I posted this that I should have looked at Pedro's > request > > ticket first, so sorry about that. > > > > Re--doing it ourselves??? > > > > OK, here we go again. It's about current and long-term administration in > my > > mind. > > > > Given the stagnant state of this set-up, and again, administration, I > truly > > do not think we can afford to diverge from some well-known and supported > > path on this. Just look at where we are now -- Terry has left and no one > > seems to be able to take over what HAS been established at: > > > > http://ooo-wiki.apache.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > > I will try to spend the rest of this week looking at Pedro's ticket to > infra > > on this and attempt to determine what can be done. > > > > Right now, there is STILL activity on the current wiki > > and no one seems to be minding the store. > > > > I'm kinda concerned about this... > > > > So obviously there is limited volunteer bandwidth to migrate the wiki. > And I've heard from several people, on and off the list, that much of > what is on the wiki is not very useful. > uh, well...I don't know bout this. I was under the impression that MUCH of developer info was here. Others would need to weigh in but I think it was widely used because of the ease of use. > Is there any way we can prioritize the effort? > > For example: > > 1) Is there any way to get page hit stats to see what pages are most > accessed? If not already instrumented could we add Google Analytics > for a couple of weeks? > > or > > 2) Is there someway we can tag the pages with a category or something, > to indicate which are the critical pages we must preserve? Maybe this > could be semi-automated with a browser bookmarklet so that volunteers > with a wiki account can add that category with a single click. > > If there are reasonable number (say less than 500) critical pages, > then that is something that is doable with a rough and dirty dump and > manual fix up. > > We did something similar to the ODF Toolkit podling recently. It was > previously hosted on Kenai and used MediaWiki. I did a copy of the > wikimark up of the pages -- a manual copy and paste operation -- and > created new Markdown text files for each one. This was > semi-automated, with some search and replace operations. Then I > checked in the mdtext files into SVN, and did the manual clean up via > the Apache CMS web interface. It did require work on every single > page, to clean it up. But it was not rocket science. And the result > is we have our doc now all in markdown format, where we can more > easily maintain it. And none of us are tied up with maintaining a > server. > This would be QUITE painful for the OOo wiki. > > But note that one complication of the OOo wiki is the license on the > content. With the ODF Toolkit everything was ALv2, so we could freely > copy that content into the podling's website. With OOo, the pages are > in various licenses. That will require some care. But from technical > perspective, if it is possible to migrate content from MWiki to > Markdowntext, then migrating to CWiki or MointMoin should be even > easier. > OK. I don't know HOW the wiki pages are licensed. I will investigate. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@openoffice.org > >wrote: > > > >> -1 I think there still many things that there need to be done for MW but > I > >> also think that users will appreciate having their familiar environment > in > >> this wiki. > >> > >> I will vote to keep MW as Plan A. Also will start getting more involved > as > >> the BZ. > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Pedro F. Giffuni < > giffu...@tutopia.com > >> > >wrote: > >> > > >> > > Hello; > >> > > > >> > > --- On Tue, 9/6/11, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Pedro has already gone over to check > >> > > > with Infrastructure about doing a test. > >> > > > > >> > > ... > >> > > > > >> > > > Regards, > >> > > > Dave > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > Yes, here is the post I sent to the infrastructure guys. > >> > > I guess they have the MW data and the confluence know-how > >> > > but it will probably take some time to evaluate this so > >> > > we cannot discard the MediaWiki VM just yet. > >> > > > >> > > Pedro. > >> > > ________ > >> > > Hi guys; > >> > > > >> > > Sometime ago I suggested this utility on the ooo-dev list: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://studio.plugins.atlassian.com/wiki/display/UWC/Universal+Wiki+Converter > >> > > > >> > > I didn't follow up on it because, as you know, there was a > >> > > volunteer from the OOo community doing the MediaWiki > >> > > configuration. > >> > > > >> > > Since the volunteer has left, perhaps infra could do a test > >> > > conversion? This would probably not go as well as the bugzilla > >> > > conversion but I think it would make it easier since we > >> > > wouldn't have to find another admin and have the extra problems > >> > > related to adapting new software to the Apache Infrastructure. > >> > > > >> > > Let me know if using this would be viable and you would like me > >> > > to raise a JIRA issue. > >> > > > >> > > >> > My recommendation (FWIW) would be to pass this on to infrastructure. > >> > Despite > >> > the enormous respect I have for what it took to get MediaWiki up and > >> > running > >> > for OpenOffice in the past, AND the amount of recent work that Terry > did, > >> I > >> > can fully understand Rob's reasoning on this. As a group, we need to > face > >> > the fact that things are not what they used to be , and utliize the > >> > existing > >> > expertise that's available to Apache OO.o now. > >> > > >> > Setbacks are very disheartening but we do need to learn from them I > >> think. > >> > It's unfortunate that exploring this alternate possibility may be > >> construed > >> > as ignoring and killing someone's efforts though -- LOTS of effort I > >> might > >> > add. I feel very very badly about that. Unfortunately, this seems to > be > >> > the nature of much reorganization, especially a reorganization on this > >> > scale. > >> > > >> > So, you have my +1 on filing an issue to infra to explore this > >> conversion. > >> > > >> > > >> > > Pedro. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > MzK > >> > > >> > "Music expresses that which cannot be said and > >> > on which it is impossible to be silent." > >> > -- Victor Hugo > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Alexandro Colorado* > >> *OpenOffice.org* Español > >> http://es.openoffice.org > >> fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6 > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "There is no such thing as coincidence." > > -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39 > > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "There is no such thing as coincidence." -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39
