Really helpful!

Thanks,
Yana

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:40 PM, David Carroll <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Oh wow, thanks for that. I didn’t know it was recorded
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> On 16 Oct 2014, at 20:25, Asaf Bartov <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Everything was recorded.  Here it is, starting at 37:00:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzwlf_qKmc
>
>    A.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:34 AM, David Carroll <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don’t think it was recorded as it wasn’t in the main auditorium.
>>
>> Hopefully Daniel remembers the fourth reason.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2014, at 19:26, Yana Welinder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all! I'm sorry that I missed the OA panel at Wikimania. Does
>> anyone know if there is a video of the panel?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yana
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:56 AM, Melissa Hagemann <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Yana,
>>>
>>> To build on Daniel's comment re inclusion of OA in Wikimania this year,
>>> Jimmy spoke on an OA panel Daniel and I participated in. Jimmy gave four
>>> great reasons as to why OA is important to Wikimedia. Unfortunately, I was
>>> chairing the session, and didn't write them all down, but perhaps Daniel
>>> remembers, as Jimmy framed his talk very well. I believe three of them were:
>>>
>>> OA is important to Wikimedia as it provides access to research in:
>>> - developing countries
>>> - everyone with Jack Andraka as an example
>>> - the OA scholarly research which is made available which can be used to
>>> develop WMF projects
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Melissa Hagemann
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:
>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Mietchen
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:42 AM
>>> To: Open Access discussions
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenAccess] Blog post on Open Access
>>>
>>>  Thanks, Yana. Comments inline.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Yana Welinder <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > We are doing a guest blog post on open access for EFF next week.
>>> Cool!
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Free as in Open Access and Wikipedia
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia sites are closely connected to open
>>> > access ideals
>>> "ideals" has a bit too much of a romantic connotation here. Something
>>> like "goals" would be better, I think.
>>>
>>> > of making scholarship freely available and reusable. Consistent with
>>> > these ideals, the Wikimedia sites make information available to
>>> > internet users around the world free of charge in hundreds of
>>> > languages. Wikimedia content can also be reused under its free
>>> > licenses. The content is enriched by citations to open access
>>> > scholarship, and the Wikimedia sites play a unique role in making
>>> > academic learning easily available to the world. As the next
>>> > generation of scholars embraces open access principles to become a
>>> > true Generation Open,
>>> - the video linked there is licensed -NC-ND (as displayed shortly before
>>> the end, and contrary to the CC BY indicated in the metadata), so I would
>>> not link to it.
>>> - "true" in such contexts is also problematic, especially near non-open
>>> licenses and considering that open access refers only to access to (some of
>>> the) final outputs of research, rather than all outputs and the entire
>>> process.
>>>
>>> > we will move closer to "a world in which every single human being can
>>> > freely share in the sum of all knowledge."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > To write and edit Wikipedia, contributors need to access high quality
>>> > independent sources. Unfortunately, paywalls and copyright
>>> > restrictions often prevent the use of academic journals to write
>>> > Wikipedia articles and enrich them with citations. Citations are
>>> > particularly important to allow readers to verify Wikipedia articles
>>> > and learn more about the topic from the underlying sources. Given the
>>> > importance of open access to Wikipedia, the Wikimedia community of
>>> > contributors has set up
>>> I don't think that "set up" should be linked, and the link currently in
>>> there is not a good fit anyway (it would fit better to the "importance of
>>> open access to Wikipedia" phrase above or the "closely connected" one from
>>> the introductory sentence, or the "reciprocal relationship" below).
>>>
>>> > a WikiProject Open Access to
>>> > improve open access-related articles on Wikipedia
>>> and to increase the reuse of open-access materials on Wikimedia
>>> platforms more generally, e.g. as per
>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Open_Access_Media_Importer_Bot
>>> or
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Open_Access/Signalling_OA-ness
>>> .
>>> For an overview of activities, see the monthly reports at
>>> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:This_Month_in_GLAM_Open_Access_reports
>>> .
>>>
>>> > and create an Open Access
>>> > Policy for research projects with the support of the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation.
>>> Those were not the goals of the creation of the WikiProject, and the
>>> policy - which is still in draft stage, by the way - has not received
>>> support from the Foundation, and that link is to a page that is misleading
>>> in the context of this blog post, as it only clarifies the meaning of the
>>> term "significant support" for the purposes of that draft policy.
>>>
>>> > Great potential lies in the reciprocal relationship between the open
>>> > access scholarship that enriches Wikipedia and Wikipedia’s promotion
>>> > of primary sources. As a secondary source, Wikipedia does not publish
>>> > ideas or facts that are not supported by reliable and published
>>> > sources. Wikipedia has tremendous power as a platform for relaying the
>>> > outcomes of academic study by leading over 400 million monthly
>>> > visitors to underlying scholarship cited in articles. Just as a
>>> > traditional encyclopedia would, Wikipedia can make the underlying
>>> > research easier to find. But unlike a traditional encyclopedia, it
>>> > provides free access and free reuse to all. In that sense, Wikipedia
>>> is an ideal secondary source for open access research.
>>> Here, it would be appropriate to mention the Open Access Reader project:
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_Access_Reader .
>>>
>>> > In light of this, we are thrilled to see Generation Open blooming.
>>> Not sure what you see blooming here.
>>>
>>> > The
>>> > Digital Commons Network now boasts 1,109,355 works from 358
>>> institutions.
>>> Most of these are actually not openly licensed.
>>>
>>> > The Directory of Open Access Journals further has over 10,035 journals
>>> "over 10,000" would be more appropriate.
>>>
>>> > from 135 countries.
>>> >
>>> > Esteemed law journals such as the Harvard Journal of Law and
>>> > Technology, Berkeley Technology Law Journal, and Michigan Law Review
>>> > subscribe to the Open Access Law Program, which encourages them to
>>> > archive their articles under open access principles.
>>> These journals archive their content under free-to-read principles, with
>>> limited options for reuse. See also
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Open_Access_Initiative#Definition_of_open_access
>>> .
>>>
>>> > Wikipedians are also contributing to the body of published open access
>>> > scholarship. Earlier this month, four Wikipedians published an article
>>> > on Dengue fever in Open Medicine (an open access and peer-reviewed
>>> > journal) based on a Wikipedia article that was collaboratively edited
>>> > by 1,369
>>> "over 1,300" may be better here
>>>
>>> > volunteers and bots. In addition to providing an open access scholarly
>>> > article on this important topic, this publication validated that
>>> > Wikipedia's editorial process can produce high quality content outside
>>> > traditional academia.
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> It is worth mentioning that many more Wikipedia articles already
>>> incorporate text from openly licensed scholarly articles (cf.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_articles_incorporating_text_from_open_access_publications
>>> ) and that a subset thereof (cf.
>>>
>>> http://topicpages.ploscompbiol.org/wiki/Category:PLoS_Computational_Biology_articles
>>> )
>>> have actually been written by scholars for that purpose and published in
>>> a peer-reviewed journal.
>>>
>>> > Placing scholarship behind paywalls has the effect of relegating new
>>> > advances in human knowledge to small academic communities. As more
>>> > academics allow their work to be shared freely, online secondary
>>> > sources like Wikipedia will play a large role disseminating the
>>> > knowledge to more people in new regions and on different devices.
>>> Yup. Perhaps worth mentioning that there was an entire Wikimania track
>>> devoted to Open Scholarship this year (with a focus on Open Access;
>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_Scholarship ) and that
>>> Wikimedia-related talks have been given at Open Access meetings (e.g.
>>>
>>> http://river-valley.zeeba.tv/transparency-in-measures-of-scientific-impact/
>>> or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Talks/COASP_2014
>>> ).
>>>
>>> Last but not least, Open Access Week has a Wikidata item (
>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2000002 ) and that Wikimedians have
>>> actively participated in it in the past (e.g.
>>> https://p2pu.org/en/groups/open-access-wikipedia-challenge/ ).
>>>
>>> Looking forward to the next version of your post, Daniel
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