> Adrian: No, you don't need to be admins to change
> source. You just need to be a member to have CVS.
Alain: I don't need CVS so I guess that means that I
don't need to be an admin either.
> Adrian: Sorry. Long, long week
> and getting worse and worse.
Alain: Mid-semester crunch, eh!
> Adrian: Check out the help section on
> sourceforge, they're easy to find
> and I don't have an URL right now.
Alain: http://www.sourceforge.net/
> Adrian: We would gain:
> * considerable public exposure
> * a permanent server
> * nightly backups
> * CVS
> * online forums
> * mailing lists
> * domain name
> * a unix server to compile on
> * CGI access, any language, incl. PHP3, C/C++
> * MySQL databases (as many as we want)
> * More that I can't remember
Alain: Sounds like a really sweet offer to me.
> Adrian: (online forums) could be a good way
> for users to give info to us without subscribing
> to the list, etc.
Alain: In my view, a Web site should fill that role.
Forms and their corresponding CGIs are relatively easy
to do. In my dynamic web system, all you had to do was
declare whatever form-element(s) you wanted in any of
our pages, without needing to attend to the form tag,
or the CGI, or the database/stack, or anything else.
> Uli: (MySQL database) Not sure what we'd use that
for.
> Storing bug reports?
> Adrian: The FreeCard Log. I've been wanting to port
> that to SQL and PHP3 for a while.
Alain: Databases are a very strategic element of any
sophisticated system/collaboration. Structured infos
are always easier to handle than un-structured data.
Anything worth collecting is worth databasing.
Commands, functions, operators, properties,
reserved-words ... msgs, guidelines, votes,
frequently-asked-questions, etc.
> * HyperCard & AppleScript CGIs (though we don't
> seem to have any of these working anyway)
> Uli: Well, Alain's seemed to work 90% of the time.
> Adrian: I have no troubles with Alain's cgis ...
Alain: The debate rages on! Are CGI programs that
don't do HTTP headers by definition 'broken'? Despite
the fact that they have been in use for several years
already without any complaints from my thousands of
'captive' clients?
> Adrian: I had read in other message
> (I think from Alain) that none were
> fully working right now
Alain: I was responding sarcastically to Anthony's
insistance that my FC.cgi program is BROKEN because it
doesn't output any HTTP headers. A moot point in any
case, as I pointed out then, because my fc CGI was
already on its way out, e.g. to be replaced with a
static web site in 100% pure HTML.
> Adrian: I will redevelop sections of the web
> site in coordination with Alain I'm sure though.
> I think this is an opportunity to create a better
> web site.
Alain: Well at least I got the ball rolling ;-)
> Uli: (Mail Archive). How large are they?
> Could we just keep them as text files
> in a read-only directory for future reference?
> Adrian: We could definitely do that.
> There will be a way to incorporate them
> into the new list archive
> that we will set up too.
Alain: How about a mySQL database ?
> Adrian: We have much to sort out yet. I will
> continue my experiments with SourceForge.
Alain: It's not that important but I was wondering if
anyone was aware of the fact that I was proposing this
move to sourceForge weeks ago ... in 3 installments.
It was put on the back-burner because we didn't want
to rush into anything. What a difference a few weeks
makes.
Alain: But what the hey. I have no problems whatsoever
with any of this. The move to SourceForge and to
non-Mac will undoubtedly be good ones. The sooner the
better, too. I am not dropping anything but I have
some renewed goals in mind for my G3, designs that are
increasingly tangential to what I am doing with FreeCard.
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