on 9/3/00 1:17 PM, Alain Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Adrian: No, you don't need to be admins to change
>> source. You just need to be a member to have CVS.
>
> Alain: I don't need CVS so I guess that means that I
> don't need to be an admin either.
Adrian: One of us isn't understanding this right and I don't know who it is.
:) If you are a member, you get CVS access. If you are an admin member -
you are also a member, but you can also start forums, change the web site
and authorise other members to join the project.
>> Adrian: Sorry. Long, long week
>> and getting worse and worse.
>
> Alain: Mid-semester crunch, eh!
Adrian: I'm only in week 2 of my semester. Much extra strain has been
placed on me due to personal matters, too many late nights and a severe
medical emergency with one of my friends last night (who is now recovering
in hospital and as far as I know will make a full recovery). Hence, please
excuse my flippancy? as I am slotting freecard work in amongst a miriad of
other things.
>> Adrian: We would gain:
>> * considerable public exposure
>> * a permanent server
>> * nightly backups
>> * CVS
>> * online forums
>> * mailing lists
>> * domain name
>> * a unix server to compile on
>> * CGI access, any language, incl. PHP3, C/C++
>> * MySQL databases (as many as we want)
>> * More that I can't remember
>
> Alain: Sounds like a really sweet offer to me.
Adrian: I believe so, yes.
>> Adrian: (online forums) could be a good way
>> for users to give info to us without subscribing
>> to the list, etc.
>
> Alain: In my view, a Web site should fill that role.
> Forms and their corresponding CGIs are relatively easy
> to do. In my dynamic web system, all you had to do was
> declare whatever form-element(s) you wanted in any of
> our pages, without needing to attend to the form tag,
> or the CGI, or the database/stack, or anything else.
Adrian: The online forums are a web site - but they're prescripted CGIs
which we can use and are basically just a public discussion board about our
project.
>> Uli: (MySQL database) Not sure what we'd use that
> for.
>> Storing bug reports?
>
>> Adrian: The FreeCard Log. I've been wanting to port
>> that to SQL and PHP3 for a while.
>
> Alain: Databases are a very strategic element of any
> sophisticated system/collaboration. Structured infos
> are always easier to handle than un-structured data.
> Anything worth collecting is worth databasing.
> Commands, functions, operators, properties,
> reserved-words ... msgs, guidelines, votes,
> frequently-asked-questions, etc.
Adrian: Certainly. I am sure we will find plenty of things to use mySQL
for. (Fortunately SQL was something else I learnt over the holidays).
>> * HyperCard & AppleScript CGIs (though we don't
>> seem to have any of these working anyway)
>> Uli: Well, Alain's seemed to work 90% of the time.
>> Adrian: I have no troubles with Alain's cgis ...
>
> Alain: The debate rages on! Are CGI programs that
> don't do HTTP headers by definition 'broken'? Despite
> the fact that they have been in use for several years
> already without any complaints from my thousands of
> 'captive' clients?
Adrian: I didn't mean to restart this discussion - but we have had a number
of problems with HC cgis in the past anyway.
>> Adrian: I had read in other message
>> (I think from Alain) that none were
>> fully working right now
>
> Alain: I was responding sarcastically to Anthony's
> insistance that my FC.cgi program is BROKEN because it
> doesn't output any HTTP headers. A moot point in any
> case, as I pointed out then, because my fc CGI was
> already on its way out, e.g. to be replaced with a
> static web site in 100% pure HTML.
Adrian: Oh, sorry - I should check my sources more carefully. It was just a
side note so I didn't bother. A stitch in time saves nine eh?
>> Adrian: I will redevelop sections of the web
>> site in coordination with Alain I'm sure though.
>> I think this is an opportunity to create a better
>> web site.
>
> Alain: Well at least I got the ball rolling ;-)
Adrian: I would like to follow the design of your site and my aim would be
to add PHP3 scripts where appropriate to give it a dynamic nature.
>> Uli: (Mail Archive). How large are they?
>> Could we just keep them as text files
>> in a read-only directory for future reference?
>
>> Adrian: We could definitely do that.
>> There will be a way to incorporate them
>> into the new list archive
>> that we will set up too.
>
> Alain: How about a mySQL database ?
Adrian: It would be better to utilise a list archiving system that is
already set up, like at the site we are using now.
>> Adrian: We have much to sort out yet. I will
>> continue my experiments with SourceForge.
>
> Alain: It's not that important but I was wondering if
> anyone was aware of the fact that I was proposing this
> move to sourceForge weeks ago ... in 3 installments.
> It was put on the back-burner because we didn't want
> to rush into anything. What a difference a few weeks
> makes.
Adrian: Yes, I remember that and I thought it was worth checking out at the
time, but didn't have internet access. Now I have been reminded of it and
have internet access, so I am investigating further.
> Alain: But what the hey. I have no problems whatsoever
> with any of this. The move to SourceForge and to
> non-Mac will undoubtedly be good ones. The sooner the
> better, too. I am not dropping anything but I have
> some renewed goals in mind for my G3, designs that are
> increasingly tangential to what I am doing with FreeCard.
Adrian: We can only press on into the dark unknown, going places where no
freecarder has before, discovering new and exciting adventures. Stay
tuned...
Adrian Sutton
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