On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Mark Nuzz <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Hi Mark, I feel like you are goading me, trying to get me to loose my
> temper, and get angry. And you are being successful.  My reply down below is
> WTF, we've been laying this stuff at your feet for a decade. All you have to
> do is get involved, instead of sniping from the sidelines.
>
> --linas

I am involved - I have taken time to respond to questions by a number
of new posters to the group, to the best of my ability, in good faith.
You've expressed, a few posts back, clear frustration with the fact
that people have close to zero interest in knowledge-bases. That
doesn't make much sense to me, and the way you put it, shows that it
is worth checking into. Knowledge bases, being a key component of any
AGI system, are pretty damned mandatory if you want to experiment with
an AI system that isn't a blank slate. So when you express an
apparently strong belief that this is not something people are
interested in (even if you yourself are), then as a core developer
you're less likely to put any work or polish into that feature.
However, if the reason that people aren't interested is because there
isn't enough work or polish into that feature, then perhaps if I can
help you understand this, it would be very good for the project, so my
efforts here would have some chances of adding a non-trivial amount of
value, with the limited time that I am able to spare toward the cause.

The open-source paradigm was designed precisely so that decisions,
assumptions, beliefs, and implementations could be questioned openly,
even "from the sidelines" as you put it. A component of the theory,
which has not been proven false to my knowledge, is that it usually
yields net positive value for the project, over the lifetime of the
project. You can disagree with the points that I make, and I could be
wrong, and my specific suggestions might even be a waste of time, but
if that were the case, then I'd learn something new from it. And this
has happened a few times already, resulting in my better understanding
to the point of being more able to contribute or discuss in more
meaningful ways. But in this case, it sounds like you're unhappy with
the very idea that your ideas are being questioned in the first place.

Besides, if it really was personal, any relevant questions I had would
already be answered at that point, and it would be actions being done,
not questions. You are probably spending too much time around
passive-aggressive people or people who aren't very nice to you.
Lighten up a bit and know who your real allies are in this game.

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