A side note regarding Linas's comments on the Sophia robot... I note that from an AI view the robot is a platform, that can be used to run many different software systems...
We use Sophia and the other Hanson robots to experiment with OpenCog sometimes... But for public theatrical performances, currently a non-OpenCog-based chat system as used, which is mostly but not entirely open source at the moment.... Linas said some things about this non-OpenCog-based system in a message above; though I feel his comments were overly negative and did not do this system justice, indeed it's not an AGI system and is not incrementally evolvable into one... We aim to shift to using OpenCog as the main theatrical control system for Sophia and the other Hanson robots sometime soon, most likely in Q1 of 2018. This won't immediately bring amazing AGI to the robots, but it will start a process of steady incremental improvement of the robots' intelligence... -- Ben G On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:01 PM, 'Nil Geisweiller' via opencog <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/31/2017 02:52 AM, Mark Nuzz wrote: >> >> I am involved - I have taken time to respond to questions by a number >> of new posters to the group, to the best of my ability, in good faith. > > > That is greatly appreciated. > >> You've expressed, a few posts back, clear frustration with the fact >> that people have close to zero interest in knowledge-bases. That >> doesn't make much sense to me, and the way you put it, shows that it >> is worth checking into. Knowledge bases, being a key component of any >> AGI system, are pretty damned mandatory if you want to experiment with >> an AI system that isn't a blank slate. So when you express an > > > Yes, just note that OpenCog's primary goal isn't to provide pre-built KBs, > other projects do that like SUMO for instance http://www.adampease.org/OP/. > OpenCog's primary goal is to provide the tools that can build such KBs from > textual, sensory or whatever data. That said pre-built KBs can be very > useful, fortunately it's usually not too much work to import them to > atomese. Here's for instance a SUMO importer > > https://github.com/opencog/external-tools/tree/master/SUMO_importer > > and an example using it > > https://github.com/opencog/opencog/tree/master/examples/pln/sumo > > Nil > > >> apparently strong belief that this is not something people are >> interested in (even if you yourself are), then as a core developer >> you're less likely to put any work or polish into that feature. >> However, if the reason that people aren't interested is because there >> isn't enough work or polish into that feature, then perhaps if I can >> help you understand this, it would be very good for the project, so my >> efforts here would have some chances of adding a non-trivial amount of >> value, with the limited time that I am able to spare toward the cause. >> >> The open-source paradigm was designed precisely so that decisions, >> assumptions, beliefs, and implementations could be questioned openly, >> even "from the sidelines" as you put it. A component of the theory, >> which has not been proven false to my knowledge, is that it usually >> yields net positive value for the project, over the lifetime of the >> project. You can disagree with the points that I make, and I could be >> wrong, and my specific suggestions might even be a waste of time, but >> if that were the case, then I'd learn something new from it. And this >> has happened a few times already, resulting in my better understanding >> to the point of being more able to contribute or discuss in more >> meaningful ways. But in this case, it sounds like you're unhappy with >> the very idea that your ideas are being questioned in the first place. >> >> Besides, if it really was personal, any relevant questions I had would >> already be answered at that point, and it would be actions being done, >> not questions. You are probably spending too much time around >> passive-aggressive people or people who aren't very nice to you. >> Lighten up a bit and know who your real allies are in this game. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/d2fc96b3-0364-31dd-c8c3-2616a7aad57b%40gmail.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "I am God! I am nothing, I'm play, I am freedom, I am life. I am the boundary, I am the peak." -- Alexander Scriabin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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