ah, I had an error on my side, sorry for confusion, correction: I CAN read
the new file from Reslav, but it gets a lot of errors. Linas that
"/userMark/" path, its not me I don't think. (I have no commits in
"blender_api" yet..
Reslav, I'm able to load your changed file, in situ with the rest of the
folder, using 2.80rc3. The shading and eyes are there, which IS a
considerable improvement. I wonder though, did you convert all those other
textures? Also, it complains that the file was written by a later blender,
so we are not aligned on the blender version. Please see log file attached.
First let me say, that the Python in blender_api is not upgraded to Python
3 or whatever, so it won't work properly for sure..
With 2.80rc3 I see all those warnings and errors in the log.txt file
attached. It seems there is still some texture fixing to be done. I wonder,
did you utilize the "add-on materials" conversion helper to convert them?
This link shows what to do: https://developer.blender.org/T58420 (there is
a built in add-on for materials conversion to Cycles.It however needs to be
done before 2.80 is loaded, since 2.80 doesn't support the Internal Render
as I understand. (I hope I'm making sense, I don't understand blender very
well).
If I am not being clear, lets zoom or something and straighten things out.
I'm on PST time.
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 8:15:33 PM UTC-8 linas wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 9:34 PM Mark Wigzell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If I may re-iterate: you can see her looking and working very well if you
>> run current blender_api repo with the 279b blender.
>>
>
> When I look at the blender file (using `Blender 2.82 (sub 7)`) I can see
> that there are file-paths in there, pointing to the right place in the
> filesystem. (except for one bad path to /user/Mark/something)
> (single-slash is an absolute path, double-slash is a relative path) If I
> altered the file-paths, I would get a spew of errors. So I think the
> textures load from the external files.
>
> --linas
>
> When I tested Reslav's changes, I only took the blend file to try. I was
>> under the assumption everything that needed conversion is in that file,
>> for some reason it won't load though.
>> Regards,
>> --Mark
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 7:21 PM Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Also there are snapshots of what she's supposed to look like, when
>>> things are working correctly, here: here's one for example;
>>> https://github.com/opencog/blender_api/blob/master/docs/eva2b.png I
>>> think the current textures are for the one on the right side.
>>>
>>> I feel as if I'm bragging and showing off, but exactly 0% of this is my
>>> work; it's more like a "see, this is what it looked like 7 years ago" and
>>> to me, it looks pretty darned good.
>>>
>>> --linas
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 9:13 PM Linas Vepstas <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Reslav,
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 8:26 AM Reslav Hollos <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added "Principled BSDF" node materials and approximated the
>>>>> values to match the look,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It should not require any "approximation", the skin texture is there,
>>>> as well as several different eyeball textures.
>>>>
>>>> There's the scary-looking
>>>> https://github.com/opencog/blender_api/blob/master/textures/eva.COL.png
>>>> and then a "subdermal" evaSubdermal.COL.png and then some skin gloss
>>>> texture eva.GLOSS.png and perhaps a skin-transparency (so the subdermal
>>>> shows through??? guessing wildly) in eva.DISP.png .. there are textures
>>>> for
>>>> the inside of her mouth, the eye.png but also eyeCornea.png and finally,
>>>> long long eye lashes.png
>>>>
>>>> I spent multiple sessions earlier this week, trying to figure out how
>>>> to wire it all up and was completely stumped.
>>>>
>>>> I can see that original blender file access these textures. I can also
>>>> see many dozens of animations, but again, was stumped as to how to make
>>>> them run. I think its important to port these, because they all looked
>>>> pretty good (to my untrained eye. Certain cough cough sculptors in the
>>>> house were less than happy.) The only "major" flaw was that if you used
>>>> the various viseme animations (visual phonemes) while she's talking, and
>>>> then made her smile, the mouth would go weird.
>>>>
>>>> --linas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> except the eye's displacement (if you zoom in really close) which I've
>>>>> not figured out yet.
>>>>> Shadows/lighting are not tested, I can continue on this in a few days,
>>>>> but hopefully this would be sufficient for you to start getting some
>>>>> visuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> The blend file is here
>>>>> https://github.com/Radivarig/blender_api/blob/update-materials/Eva_nodes.blend
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Reslav
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 5:23 PM Mark Wigzell <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Reslav,
>>>>>> Hey great! Thanks for your help:
>>>>>> In order to see issue:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> git clone https://github.com/opencog/blender_api.git
>>>>>> cd blender_api
>>>>>> blender -y Sophia.blend -P autostart.py
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can download different blender versions from
>>>>>> https://download.blender.org/release/
>>>>>> If you use 2.79b it seems to work best. If you use the next version,
>>>>>> 2.80rc3 you'll see a lot of load errors.
>>>>>> My actual work on Eva (Sophia.blend), is around getting the existing
>>>>>> solution to build and run. You can see that here:
>>>>>> https://github.com/opencog/docker/tree/master/noetic
>>>>>> Try building ros-base, ros-blender and ros-eva containers. Finally
>>>>>> run the ros-eva container, it comes up using "tmux". There are run
>>>>>> errors
>>>>>> in some of the nodes, the webcam image comes up, and the current blender
>>>>>> (3.?) comes up with Sophia.blend. Of course it looks terrible because
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> materials haven't been converted.
>>>>>> I attached an image of the 2.79b running. (If you click the "start
>>>>>> animation" button on the right, she goes into action.)
>>>>>> Apparently Eva should not have been renamed Sophia.blend, that was a
>>>>>> mistake 7 years ago or whenever. I'll fix that.
>>>>>> So running Eva in blender with the "blender_api" in the current
>>>>>> working directory is essential to having the ROS node work properly. And
>>>>>> having that work properly is essential to debugging the "perception"
>>>>>> repo,
>>>>>> which won't work without blender ROS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - There is an issue of python namespace when starting up Eva in
>>>>>> blender.
>>>>>> - There is also one "cyclic dependency": Dependency cycle
>>>>>> detected: deform depends on control through Child Of. control depends
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> deform through Locked Track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:01:22 AM UTC-8 [email protected]
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is your current progress available somewhere? I can look into
>>>>>>> Blender materials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Reslav
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 18:27 Mark Wigzell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey guys, well I have spent a couple of weeks re-building
>>>>>>>> opencog/docker to Ubuntu 20.04 and ROS "noetic" release, concentrating
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> re-vamping the "eva-ros" container initially.
>>>>>>>> I ran into various issues with old python code, easily upgraded.
>>>>>>>> Also some issues with conflicting configuration parameters, I think
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> are all solved or solvable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue that has become insurmountable is the change in the
>>>>>>>> Blender implementation from 2.79b to 2.80rc3. The key change was they
>>>>>>>> dropped support for the Internal Renderer in favor of Cycles and later
>>>>>>>> Eevee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have tried to convert the textures using the Materials add-on
>>>>>>>> they supply, but it failed to convert the eyes, and was less than
>>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>> on the skin tones as well. If this one issue could be handled by a
>>>>>>>> skilled
>>>>>>>> Blender user, we might be able to "save & load" up to the current
>>>>>>>> Blender
>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current Blender release has the distinct advantage that it runs
>>>>>>>> in an Ubuntu 20.04 docker container "out of the box". The older
>>>>>>>> blenders,
>>>>>>>> including 2.79b do not. There has been a lot of churn with X11
>>>>>>>> acceleration, 32bit to 64bit, and the new Wayland support, and the
>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 64bit setup confounds the older blender versions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a properly running Blender, the Eva project could be
>>>>>>>> re-vamped. Is it worth it? All I can convey is my enthusiasm for the
>>>>>>>> project when I trailed it back from the "Sophia the robot" interviews.
>>>>>>>> Whilst I understand that basic research into AI learning does not need
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> heavy load of supporting robots or human like interaction, I strongly
>>>>>>>> believe that having such a teaching example fully functional would do
>>>>>>>> wonders for the entire field: many people are inspired by the hype
>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>> AGI and androids,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Providing fledgelings with a setup such as was developed for Eva
>>>>>>>> would be a powerful kick-off for anyone wanting to dig into the field,
>>>>>>>> especially young people, who would definitely get a kick out of
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> their prototype AGI hookups in the Eva rig. There IS something
>>>>>>>> inspirational when she comes to life, breathes, smiles etc. Granted
>>>>>>>> the rig
>>>>>>>> is NOT itself a demonstration of AGI, but the hookups back to the
>>>>>>>> AtomSpace
>>>>>>>> should allow people to make all sorts of experiments that point in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> direction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the Eva project is a great landing place for enthused
>>>>>>>> talent. It just needs to get over this current hump, which has
>>>>>>>> defeated me
>>>>>>>> at the moment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps someone in this group has access to some Blender people we
>>>>>>>> can engage to remedy this situation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> --Mark
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>>>>>
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mark@confucius:blender_api$
../blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/blender -y Eva_nodes.blend -P
autostart.py
found bundled python:
/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/python
Read blend: /home/mark/Dev/blender_api/Eva_nodes.blend
Error: File written by newer Blender binary (300.42), expect loss of data!
/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/Eva_nodes.blend/loader.py:4: DeprecationWarning: the
imp module is deprecated in favour of importlib; see the module's documentation
for alternative uses
Warning: class EVA_OT_debug contains a property which should be an annotation!
/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/blenderPlayback.py:267
assign as a type annotation: EVA_OT_debug.action
register_class(...):
Warning: 'BLRigControl' doesn't contain '_PT_' with prefix & suffix
register_class(...):
Warning: 'BLRigConsole' doesn't contain '_PT_' with prefix & suffix
register_class(...):
Warning: 'BLActuatorControl' doesn't contain '_PT_' with prefix & suffix
Warning: class HR_ACT_Blink_randomly contains a property which should be an
annotation!
/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/actuators.py:116
assign as a type annotation: HR_ACT_Blink_randomly.parameter_order
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/Eva_nodes.blend/loader.py", line 15, in
<module>
register()
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/Eva_nodes.blend/loader.py", line 13, in
register
rigControl.init()
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/__init__.py", line 47, in init
animationManager.init()
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/animationManager.py", line 617,
in init
bpy.evaAnimationManager = AnimationManager()
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/animationManager.py", line 81, in
__init__
self.actuatorManager = ActuatorManager()
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/actuators.py", line 94, in
__init__
actuator.generator.send(None)
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/artistic/actuators.py", line 29, in
blink_randomly
get=lambda _: '{:0.3f}s'.format(interval)))
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/actuators.py", line 65, in
add_parameter
getter, setter = self.register_parameter(self.name, bl_prop)
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/actuators.py", line 129, in
register_parameter
bltype_act = getattr(bpy.types,
'HR_ACT_{}'.format(actuator_name.capitalize()))
AttributeError: 'RNA_Types' object has no attribute 'HR_ACT_Blink_randomly'
add_relation(Bone Parent) - Could not find op_from (ComponentKey(OBdeform,
BONE, 'Nose'))
add_relation(Bone Parent) - Failed, but op_to
(ComponentKey(OBWGT-eyelid_U.R.001, TRANSFORM)) was ok
find_node_operation: Failed for (BONE_DONE, '')
add_relation(Action) - Could not find op_from (OperationKey(type: BONE,
component name: 'CYC-sleep', operation code: BONE_DONE))
add_relation(Action) - Failed, but op_to (OperationKey(type: BONE, component
name: 'eye_L', operation code: BONE_CONSTRAINTS)) was ok
find_node_operation: Failed for (BONE_DONE, '')
add_relation(Action) - Could not find op_from (OperationKey(type: BONE,
component name: 'CYC-normal', operation code: BONE_DONE))
add_relation(Action) - Failed, but op_to (OperationKey(type: BONE, component
name: 'eye_L', operation code: BONE_CONSTRAINTS)) was ok
Dependency cycle detected:
OBdeform/head/BONE_CONSTRAINTS() depends on
OBcontrol/head_target/BONE_DONE() via 'Child Of'
OBcontrol/head_target/BONE_READY() via 'Ready -> Done'
OBcontrol/head_target/BONE_CONSTRAINTS() via 'Constraints -> Ready'
OBdeform/DEF-head/BONE_DONE() via 'Locked Track'
OBdeform/DEF-head/BONE_READY() via 'Ready -> Done'
OBdeform/DEF-head/BONE_POSE_PARENT() via 'Pose -> Ready'
OBdeform/head-target/BONE_DONE() via 'Parent Bone -> Child Bone'
OBdeform/head-target/BONE_READY() via 'Ready -> Done'
OBdeform/head-target/BONE_CONSTRAINTS() via 'Constraints -> Ready'
OBdeform/head/BONE_DONE() via 'Locked Track'
OBdeform/head/BONE_READY() via 'Ready -> Done'
OBdeform/head/BONE_CONSTRAINTS() via 'Constraints -> Ready'
Detected 1 dependency cycles
ERROR (bke.object):
/home/sources/blender-release/source/blender/blenkernel/intern/object.c:2295
ob_parbone: Object WGT-eyelid_U.R.001 with Bone parent: bone Nose doesn't exist
ERROR (bke.anim_sys):
/home/sources/blender-release/source/blender/blenkernel/intern/anim_sys.c:4148
BKE_animsys_eval_driver: invalid driver -
pose.bones["blink_duration"]["prop"][0]
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/blenderPlayback.py", line 34, in
execute
self._timer = wm.event_timer_add(1/self._maxFPS, context.window)
TypeError: WindowManager.event_timer_add(): required parameter "window" to be a
keyword argument!
location:
/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/scripts/modules/bpy/ops.py:201
location:
/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/scripts/modules/bpy/ops.py:201
Error: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/blenderPlayback.py", line 34, in
execute
self._timer = wm.event_timer_add(1/self._maxFPS, context.window)
TypeError: WindowManager.event_timer_add(): required parameter "window" to be a
keyword argument!
location:
/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/scripts/modules/bpy/ops.py:201
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/autostart.py", line 9, in <module>
bpy.ops.wm.global_timer()
File
"/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/scripts/modules/bpy/ops.py",
line 201, in __call__
ret = op_call(self.idname_py(), None, kw)
RuntimeError: Error: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mark/Dev/blender_api/rigControl/blenderPlayback.py", line 34, in
execute
self._timer = wm.event_timer_add(1/self._maxFPS, context.window)
TypeError: WindowManager.event_timer_add(): required parameter "window" to be a
keyword argument!
location:
/home/mark/Dev/blenders/blender-2.80rc3-linux-glibc217-x86_64/2.80/scripts/modules/bpy/ops.py:201
