Tim Cook schreef:
> On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 16:59 +0100, Bert Verhees wrote:
>
>> Thomas Beale schreef:
>>
>>> Probably you need to clarify the concrete basis of this discussion from
>>> your point of view.
>>>
>>>
>> The fact is, I have a persistence layer running, can be optimized on
>> some places (working on that), but is does it job. I don't need others
>> to help me.
>>
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> Hmmmm, I find this a little confusing. In your many posts you are
> calling for people to help develop a persistence API. Yet here you are
> saying that you have one and do not need help.
>
> Maybe some clarification will help. Is there a place where you have
> made your Java implementation open source and available to others for
> assessment?
>
(I do not, at this moment want to publish my code. I worked two years on
my code, I keep it for myself until there will be a good reason to
publish it)
First, we can discuss an API, maybe my code this not fit at all in the
results of this discussion.
I am not important, nor is my code important, the *plan* is important,
and that I explained a few times.
Do we need the code from other participants before we can discuss a good
way to implement the ideas behind it?
I can explain how I did things, for assessment-purposes, if you like,
better is, explain it for progress-purposes. That is, maybe important,
that is part of the discussion. Others can have others ideas or like
what I have done, or have on some parts the idea that it can be done on
a better way, that is discussion. That is what I call for.
But first we need people who want to discuss, A discussion on my own is
a lonely thing.
I want with others to build an API, with or without me (I am not
important), so problems that will show up during doing this will reflect
to the Java-kernel. ("the way is important" (Buddhist saying)).
Also I hope this project then will facilitate others to build their
products, so the market potential of Openehr is boosted because of more
products coming to that market.
If needed and wanted, I will be happy to share my experience, and
work/code, but there must be some reason to do so. Maybe my code does
not fit at all in what others are going to do, why should I publish it then?
Open Source in my opinion means, working together, not one does the job,
others look.
This last statement is not personally pointing to someone special.
Open Source, can be, in my opinion, develop a plan together, an
architecture, and build it together, so others of that community have
ways to analyze and judge the progress on criteria they made up together
before. If others have other opinions on this, please say.
I discussed about one/two month ago with Rong, on this very same
mailinglist.
He agreed an open source API would be a good idea, but the discussion
stopped without coming to further plans.
Every month or few months, we see emails appear from people the ask
where to start, or how to do persistence.
They always get an answer. From some of these people we never hear
again, because, I can only guess, maybe, they give up.
That is not good, we need implementers, we must facilitate them, make it
easy to step in, making openehr become something that will be important
worldwide.
Now I stop writing about this, for the moment, I believe I explained
every aspect a few times in a few days.
Thanks for your attention
Bert
