This is a great thread y'all keep up the great work :) Mike, all I have to say to you about this is *Thank you SO much* :)
Cheers On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Michael Huntington <mellom...@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Ruud, > Here are some of the features currently set in stone for development.. > DeepThink seems to be setting the foundation for groups.. making sure it > functions correctly ... If any developers would like to add on to this, that > would be great. > > Groups Group Chat Group Permissions Group Titles Group Ownership Group > Payments (optional I'm sure) > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Ruud Lathrop <ruud.lath...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Its great to hear that something is done about a missing but very >> important feature. I love to work on it to. But if somebody wants to sponsor >> a company to do it, that is fine with me. I do like to see what they are >> doing and maybe add something to it (Make the implementation to MSSQL). >> >> Foremost I like to see the following things implemented in groups: >> - Of course create/edit/invite etc for groups >> - Set permissions to groups of land/objects, work together on projects. >> - Create group chats. >> >> Hope to see the project started soon. And maybe in release 0.7 we have >> groups :) >> >> Ruud >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Frisby, Adam <a...@deepthink.com.au>wrote: >> >>> The only concern I have here is that a good deal of this work is being >>> done by our Shanghai office and me and Mike are the only guys with commit >>> rights, so doing the morning checkin to core is a bit of a chore. (Whereas I >>> can give everyone svn access on the forge) >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto: >>> opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Andersson >>> *Sent:* Monday, 16 February 2009 1:03 AM >>> *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah, >>> >>> I think 'groups' in terms of minimal implementations of functions as >>> defined by our reference client the official Second Life(tm) virtual worlds >>> viewer, is definitively a core module. >>> >>> I believe that if this central work is done in core instead of on forge, >>> it will give us lots of valuable opportunity to help, discuss and react to >>> changes, instead of it being a 'mushroom' in a corner of the room. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Stefan Andersson >>> Tribal Media AB >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:49:14 -0800 >>> From: c...@pacbell.net >>> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> >>> Personally, I would suggest that "groups" is an enabling technology and I >>> would concur that seperating economy notions from groups is a good thing. >>> >>> For "groups" functionality, the ability to form groups and have group >>> communicaton similar to our IRC channels currently would go a long ways to >>> fleshing out and testing additional functionality under load. We need to use >>> our sims more to understand where the limits are. >>> >>> Additionally, adding the logic for group ownership of land and objects >>> will help us get closer to a reasonable permissions model and thence closer >>> to 0.7 for OpenSim. >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Justin Clark-Casey <jjusti...@googlemail.com> >>> *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:52:06 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> >>> Frisby, Adam wrote: >>> > My personal thoughts would be definitely host on the gforge until >>> > completion, then decide on whether it goes into core or not (same as >>> > hypergrid). >>> >>> Personally, considering the modules that are in OpenSim core at the >>> moment, I think that a groups module could >>> definitely be considered a core module from the outset (and so be >>> developed in core). It's by far the biggest piece of >>> missing functionality for both an SL-like environment and many of the >>> other virtual environments that one can imagine. >>> >>> However, having said that it's not as if people have been rushing to >>> implement groups code in core - it has been a >>> requested piece of unimplemented functionality for a long time. So it >>> might be more convenient to develop it outside >>> core if non-core developers are going to be working on it. >>> >>> I guess the situation might be somewhat different again if the groups >>> module also implements integration to other >>> systems (perhaps commercial ones) which would be more controversial to >>> place in core. Though then again I would hope >>> that such functionality could be split into further modules, with just >>> the main groups code going into core. >>> >>> btw, Mike - very glad to see your sponsorship of this as public domain >>> code. And I very much understand your reluctance >>> to talk about sponsored development that hasn't yet been agreed. All I >>> would say is that the more open everything is, >>> the more smoothly everything seems to go in terms of getting code adopted >>> and in terms of interacting with the wider >>> OpenSim community. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Adam >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:* opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >>> > [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] *On Behalf Of *Michael >>> > Huntington >>> > *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:55 PM >>> > *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Well, I don't mind sharing a little info.. but remember we're still in >>> > planning stages and getting the feature list together. Also I >>> personally >>> > don't have a problem having this project open during development. So >>> > I'll let Adam and the DeepThink team decide on that... I'll host any >>> > files if needed or we can use opensim's gforge. All, I'm doing is >>> > sponsoring this project.. because I know how much the community would >>> > like groups and other features up and running. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Basically we're working on getting economy and groups running.. and >>> > hopefully if Diva accepts our offer, we can get groups working across >>> > the Hypergrid... (still working on that). DeepThink already has a list >>> > of features listed for how we can safely and securely implement groups >>> > and economy. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Again, I'm not the most tech savvy person.. I'm just sponsoring this.. >>> > so Adam can share as much info as he likes.. once we come to a >>> > conclusion on what the exact features will be ... but so far it seems >>> he >>> > understands what we're looking for in the project. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Frisby, Adam <a...@deepthink.com.au >>> > <mailto:a...@deepthink.com.au>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I think the consensus with Mike is to develop it on the forge, but I'll >>> >>> > let him speak for me here since he's sponsoring it and I don't want to >>> > say anything that may be wrong. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Adam >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:* opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >>> > <mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de> >>> > [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >>> > <mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de>] *On Behalf Of *Dahlia >>> Trimble >>> > *Sent:* Friday, 13 February 2009 12:48 PM >>> > >>> > >>> > *To:* opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto: >>> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Agreed... something like groups is too complex to be submitted all at >>> > once, unless it's a module in forge. I've been working on group chat >>> > infrastructure and this could cause conflict unless it's developed in >>> an >>> > open manner. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Justin Clark-Casey >>> > <jjusti...@googlemail.com <mailto:jjusti...@googlemail.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Frisby, Adam wrote: >>> > > Yep, Mike here has graciously offered to have us develop it for the >>> > public domain. With a little luck we should be starting this one soon, >>> > along with some other features he's asked for (I won't ruin any >>> > suprises, but they are much-asked for). >>> > >>> > I don't like to see surprises spoilt either but it would be nice to >>> know >>> > what they are sooner rather than later, so that >>> > nobody wastes time with duplicate development. >>> > >>> > Will the development happen in the open commit by commit? >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > Adam >>> > > >>> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> > >> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de >>> > <mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de> [mailto:opensim-dev- >>> > <mailto:opensim-dev-> >>> > >> boun...@lists.berlios.de <mailto:boun...@lists.berlios.de>] On >>> > Behalf Of Mike Huntington >>> > >> Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2009 9:11 AM >>> > >> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto: >>> opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups in OpenSim >>> > >> >>> > >> I'm currently in talks with DeepThink to have this developed for my >>> > >> grid. The work will be donated back to the opensim community once >>> > >> finished. Hopefully work on this will begin later this month. >>> > >> >>> > >> Sent from my iPhone >>> > >> >>> > >> On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Ruud Lathrop <ruud.lath...@gmail.com >>> > <mailto:ruud.lath...@gmail.com>> >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> Hi, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Does anybody know if somebody is working on features to implement >>> > >>> Groups? I see a GroupsModule in Core.Avatar. But that doesn't hold >>> > >>> much implementation. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> If nobody is building that, how can I start working on something >>> > >>> like that? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Ruud >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> > >>> > >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> > > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > justincc >>> > Justin Clark-Casey >>> > http://justincc.wordpress.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de <mailto:Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de> >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>> > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >>> -- >>> justincc >>> Justin Clark-Casey >>> http://justincc.wordpress.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > -- =================================== http://osgrid.org http://del.icio.us/SPQR http://twitter.com/jstallings2 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/770/a49
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