R Gunther, you said that "Banning a viewer is just stupid, ..." Well, I guess you don't know anything about when the Emerald Viewer developers seriously violated the SL ToS, gathered info on users, conducted a DDoS attack against a detractor, all of which resulted in the viewer being banned from SL? Given such black-hat hacker behviour by those developers, wouldn't you ban such a viewer from your grid, or would you rather put visitors at risk?
Sarge On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:00 AM, Akira Sonoda <[email protected]>wrote: > As you might notice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/akirasonoda/7814375104/ A > majority of the OSGrid residents using those "buggy" viewers. And i guess > there is possibly no one in OSgrid who does not have installed one of them > in addition to his favorite experimental viewer... > > As you might know Amazon has datacenters located at different places. One > is located in Ireland. I have chosen that one, because the goal of that > party was to have a profiler running in parallel in order to have an idea > to see what is going wrong. > > I am really not that comfortable with banning viewers. And I hope to open > this region as sooon as we have evidence the sim can support all those > viwers with a lot of people (15 to 30) simultaneously partying with a > decent amount of lag and no forced logoff because of ACK timeouts, failing > presence service calls etc. > > > > 2012/8/18 R.Gunther <[email protected]> > > Banning a viewer is just stupid, especially because the newer viewers >> work better. >> But what i dont understand is that you blame the distance from region to >> grid server. >> I can remember something that you did have the same problems in EC2 cloud >> on windows server. >> and the EC2 cloud is in usa. So that dont explain much. You now lock >> people out of a region only because the dont use imprudence or some other >> "buggy" viewer. >> >> >> On 2012-08-18 17:07, Akira Sonoda wrote: >> >> Should be fine... is the correct wording :-) It works fine for Sims with >> 1 to 5 Avatars simultaneously which is possibly 99.9% of the whole Landmass >> served by OpenSim, but on crowded spaces very distant (Europe) from the >> Asset- Inventory etc. Severs ( California ) it does not... especially if >> the Cache Hit Ratio is low. Since November 2011 when those caps were >> introduced we only had problems which could be mitigated by disabling those >> caps and with the viewer bans in place we had quite a successful OSG5B >> Friday Party with 37 Avatars simultaneously partying without restart ( okie >> by the end of the party at around 01:00 CET the presence service went >> somehow corrupt and it was no longer possible to join the party ). Failed >> to verify presence or something like that was the message in the log. >> Yestertday again 22 People with the viewer restrictions i have in place >> plus disabled lindencps: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/akirasonoda/7803972118/ no major problem >> ... feedback was: Rezzing is better, less clouds ... >> >> But for sure we'd like to welcome all Viewers at the party... enabling >> getMesh ... should not be that much of an issue, because not too many >> Avatar wear Meshes... on the other hand, most of the visitors still use the >> imprudence especially if we enforce it somehow by banning most other viewer >> capable of rendering meshes, therefore there is no big rush to enable >> getMesh again... >> >> Right now I am thinking of factoring the whole HTTP stuff out of the >> OpenSim into a separate Process, in order to have OpenSim doing what it can >> best, acting as a Region Server calculating physics and executing scripts >> and serving legacy UDP Packets to the Viewers. I hope to be able to start a >> Proof of Concept rather soon. In parallel I will do further testing with >> the different viwers and the different combination in order to get further >> insights. >> >> take care >> Akira >> >> >> 2012/8/14 Justin Clark-Casey <[email protected]> >> >>> GetMesh and GetTexture should be fine in 0.7.4-rc1 (and probably >>> earlier). >>> >>> I think the "may lead to poor performance" was rather cautious. If >>> anything, fetching via HTTP should lead to better performance since it's >>> not generating lots of UDP messages that have to traverse OpenSimulator's >>> UDP client stack (and hence appear to be able to hold up/crowd out other >>> UDP messages in the process). >>> >>> >>> On 13/08/12 18:42, Akira Sonoda wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Word, >>>> >>>> Because with those caps >>>> >>>> Cap_GetTexture="" >>>> Cap_GetMesh="" >>>> Cap_FetchInventoryDescendents2="" >>>> Cap_FetchInventory2="" >>>> >>>> you won't see any textures on prims ... meaning all prims will be >>>> invisible. Only Singularity 1.7 has this problem and is therefore >>>> banned >>>> The same applies for the experimental Cool VL Viewer which will be on >>>> the banned list as well. >>>> >>>> Once I am certain at least GetTexture and GetMesh won't harm, they >>>> possibly can be also allowed. But right now i do what is written in >>>> the comment of the OpenSim.ini: >>>> >>>> ; This is disabled by default. Change if you see fit. Note that >>>> ; serving this cap from the simulators may lead to poor performace. >>>> >>>> Poor Performance ... I am sensitive on that .... and it is even worse... >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> Akira >>>> >>>> 2012/8/13, [email protected] <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Akira, >>>>> >>>>> Why are you banning Singularity ? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Wordfromthe Wise >>>>> >>>>> On 13.08.2012, at 00:25, Akira Sonoda <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Fleep, >>>>>> >>>>>> First, banning viewers is not a good thing, especially not on osgrid, >>>>>> because osgrid is here for testing the OpenSimulator under real life >>>>>> usage >>>>>> and as far as i know OpenSim wants to support all of the viewers >>>>>> floating >>>>>> around. >>>>>> >>>>>> Buuuuut ... it is really annoying to have a sim crashing when you >>>>>> have a >>>>>> party with some 15 to 30 people partying. Therefore I enabled on one >>>>>> of >>>>>> the 50 sims i am maintaining, the following rules: >>>>>> >>>>>> AllowedClients="Phoenix|Imprudence|Cool|Singularity|Firestorm|0.6.3" >>>>>> BannedClients="Singularity 1.7" >>>>>> >>>>>> Those should support most of the used viewers: >>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/akirasonoda/7769188218/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Firestorm is in, because many people use it. This is the riskiest part >>>>>> because with my avatar i crash ( or at least produce ACK timeouts for >>>>>> all >>>>>> viewers ) the sims all the time using the latest Firestorm. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have your own grid, then you can apply viewer restrictions on >>>>>> grid >>>>>> level. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Akira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/8/9 Fleep Tuque <[email protected]> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if anyone was willing to share their list of banned >>>>>> viewers used in the config files for Opensim? I don't know what the >>>>>> latest and greatest bad viewers are (or really any of them since I >>>>>> don't >>>>>> use them!), but if anyone has a good list, I for one would appreciate >>>>>> the >>>>>> info. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the record, I understand that the banned viewer list in the >>>>>> config can >>>>>> be overridden by a savvy griefer, so it's not air tight security, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> figure any effort to combat it doesn't hurt.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> - Chris/Fleep >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris M. 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